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  1. rpissm

    rpissm Formula 3

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    Heeeey again everyone!

    I'm looking to buy a car lift for my TR, and while I would love to get one of those slick hydraulic post lifts (like this BendPak XPR-10 Two Post Lift for Cars & Trucks) I don't think I'll have enough space in my garage for it. So, I've come across a scissor lift such as this: FREE SHIPPING — Bend Pak Portable Mid-Rise Scissor Lift — 6000-Lb. Capacity, Model# MD-6XP | Scissor Lifts| Northern Tool + Equipment

    However, I read that the car's weight needs to be centered on the lift to be safe. Given the TR's butt-heavy weight distribution and the fact that the rear jack point is located ahead of the engine compartment, is this a dangerous arrangement?

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  2. okiedude

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  3. rpissm

    rpissm Formula 3

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    Yeah true, but do you have any concerns with the possibility that the TR might flip off the back, given how rear-heavy it is and the forward location of its rear jack point?

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  4. Melvok

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    There was a good posting on lifts here Joe, only some weeks ago ..... :)
     
  5. teveo

    teveo Formula Junior

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    #5 teveo, Feb 1, 2014
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    Mel is right, there have been some decent discussion on this, just search "maxjax".

    Depending space available, I prefer a 4 post lift to a 2 post, you loose a little flexibility but gain safety and an extra parking space if the roof is high enough. If you add a rolling bridge you will have all the flexibility you need.

    The 2 post require ground work (usually more concrete under the mounting points), most 4 post lifts today are self bearing and even if a little sloppy unloaded they become very stable when the car is loaded and if you get a caster kit you can move it around as well.

    Installed a Dannmar lift in my storage/garage last year and am very happy with it. I have this one.
    FREE SHIPPING — Dannmar 4-Post Auto Lift — 7000-Lb. Capacity, 85in. Max Rise, Model# Commander 7000X | Four-Post Lifts| Northern Tool + Equipment

    Do not have the rolling bridge but rather a cheaper jack platform (enough for a hobbyist).
    FREE SHIPPING — Dannmar Solid Steel Jack Platform for Commander 7000 and 7000X, Model# JP-3 | Lift Accessories| Northern Tool + Equipment

    If the 4 post fit in your garage its a great tool, and you do not have to run it all up if the height is the problem. Here is mine, sorry no TR shot yet.
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  6. John B

    John B Formula 3

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    I'm installing two BendPak HD9's in my garage next week.
     
  7. okiedude

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    I linked that in my post. It shows pics of a TR and 911 on the lift in question.
     
  8. okiedude

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    Trond is right about the 4 post it's my first choice (I have two), the rolling bridge is a must unless you are simply using the lift for storage. I have one rolling bridge on one lift and two on the other. With two you can completely unload the suspension on the entire car. I am also spoiled with space and ceiling height.
     
  9. rpissm

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    Hey everyone,

    Thanks for your suggestions on lifts and I did search the forums but the items I came across were asking slightly different questions than I am. Do you have any concern about the TR slipping off the back of any lift (except the 4 post, I presume?) given the rear-end heavy weight distribution? I assume this concern would exist with all scissor and 2 post lifts?

    Joe
     
  10. vincenzo

    vincenzo F1 Rookie

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    #10 vincenzo, Feb 1, 2014
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    The scissor lift works great for an engine out.... no concerns.

    Caution - The TR does not roll over the lift when it is flat. You'll need to improvise.

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  11. vincep99

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    I have the twin-post BendPak and had no problem when I did my engine-out; the car was balanced just fine.

    If your space problem is with height, BendPak told me they can make the lift shorter at no cost.
     
  12. okiedude

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    Whenever I put any car on a two post lift, I lift the car about 3-4 inches off the ground. Then give it a good shake, front and rear. If it is going to fall off it's going to happen a few inches off the ground, not 6' up in the air.
    I know if you look at photos from some of the bigger Ferrari indy shops virtually all their lifts are two post.
     
  13. rpissm

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    Thanks for the additional info. My concern with the Bend-pak isn't height - I think my garage ceilings are at least 10 feet (height designed for an RV) - it's space around the third drive bay (not designed for an RV!)

    Something else I like about the scissor lift is that it is "portable", or at least more portable than a Bend-Pak is. I might want to take over our 2 bay area of the garage (we have 3 bays total) if/when I decide to do a belt service (to my wife's chagrin :) )

    Joe
     
  14. okiedude

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    Portability is nice. My shop area is completely dedicated (7,000 sq. ft.), has nothing to do with the family two car garage. In that respect I am fortunate, I am never in the way of Mrs. Gibb-LOL.
     
  15. GregTe

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    I installed a Bend Pak HD-9 4 post loft in my garage about a month ago, it is great!
     
  16. rpissm

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    That 4 post is nice, but wouldn't it make engine out services impossible since the car is still riding on its wheels and that bar is in the back?

    And I WISH I had a separate workspace to stretch out in. Okiedude, it must be nice! :)

    Joe

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  17. okiedude

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    I'm spoiled, I admit it. I do share my space with a select group of car nuts for projects and or work days. It just wouldn't be right to not give back to the community.

    I was wondering the same thing about the engine out on a 4 post? Can anyone expand on that?
     
  18. turbo-joe

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    when I put out the engine at a TR or equal I never remove it down complete with the axle. I take the engine out to the top. sure, a little bit more work, but when you take out the engine with the axle to the bottom you have to adjust after putting in again the complete wheel alignment when you do the job right.
    also when you only take out the engine to the top you still can move the car
     
  19. twsii

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    I have the titan mrl 6000 portable scissor lift and it works great. I can move it around the garage and the good thing about this lift is the car will ride over it without draging. My car at max lift is 60 Inches and that is plenty of room to work under the car the lift is also very stable when I first receive the lift I was skeptical but after Placing the car on the lift in several different positions a few hundred times I am very confident in the lift and recommend it to anyone who has space problems in the garage. BTW my ride is a 93 512tr.
     
  20. Spitfire

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    I've been pondering lifts for years without actually pulling the trigger, and when I stumbled upon these guys a few weeks ago it got me wondering whether or not their so called "pit stop ramps" might be quite useful:

    Vehicle Lift Ramps | Rack Ramps | Pit Stop Ramps
     
  21. okiedude

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    Do you remove the rear deck lid?
     
  22. vincenzo

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    That is the exact same thing I did out of plywood and 2x4s. 3ea 2x4s laid on their side with 1/4" plywood base and 3/4" plywood top. The sections under the tires were lagged into the concrete to keep the structure in place as the car drives up.

    In the photo I previously posted, you can see the section under the front left wheel. The sections under the rear wheels were pulled for subframe 'engine out' access.

    Works well with a low rise lift that won't fit under the car without the ramps.

    Just as good if not better than the $2,200 of plastic.

    Rgds,
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  23. Spitfire

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    To be honest, I hadn't looked at the price, but I'll be the first to agree that $2,200 is a bit unrealistic.

     
  24. qwazipsycho

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    #24 qwazipsycho, Feb 3, 2014
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    Solid as a rock. Never a concern.

    As I've said before, this lift should be sold with the car. They go together like peanut butter and jelly.
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  25. teveo

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    Have one of those as well, it is very easy to adjust to the car, usually need some "lumber/mini ramp" to get low cars on the lift, this is a very stable lift.

    Got the bendpak model and the only recommendation is to check the big lock rings now and then, they are prone to come off.
     

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