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  1. BT

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    #1 BT, Mar 17, 2008
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    What do you all think of this car? I have just ordered one and am putting a 200 hp Civic Si engine with the 6 speed manual LSD equipped trans in. I have a few thoghts for performance upgrades, but will wait to get the base car first... Should be here in a few months. I am thinking of ordering it in Yellow-green and adding a metallic black accent to make it two toned.
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  2. SSNISTR

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    I like that drawing alot. I'm thinking about a T Rex. But this looks cool too. If you don't mind, how much? And are there engine choices or is the 197 HP Si one it?
     
  3. BT

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    The rolling chassis is $16k, and you drop ship the tires to the builder. The engine choices are pretty much any FWD 4 cylinder engine which you also provide. I happened to choose the civic Si since it has a limited slip diff which is important on a car that only weighs around 1300 pounds. Very similar to the Ariel Atom weight and engine-wise, but the car costs much less. It has some good parts (wilwood 4 piston calipes and vented disks, Digi dash lite data console, DOM tubing chassis powdercoated, etc..). My total costs should be around $25k for the basic car complete, maybe $30k if I want to bump up the power using a centrifugal SC or turbo setup. :D
    I should have chassis #5 or so...
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  4. Pantera

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    Not bad for under 20k.

    Concidering the Atom cost thousands more, the GTM is in Corvette price range and the Ultima is well out of most peoples bouget not a bad price at all.

    I would use an S2000 engine rather than an SI power plant.
     
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    Pretty good pricing. I have some thinking to do........
     
  7. FerrariF50lover

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    You can really mod those K20's to put down some impressive numbers.
     
  8. BT

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    I think comparing it to another very lightweight fun roadster will be interesting. My Ginetta is about 1400 pounds, but being front engine / rear drive gives me a big heat wash. Very low (oil pan clearance is 2.75"), and fairly difficult to get to the parts under the dash. But loads of fun due mostly to the lack of refinement. I'm thinking the SL-R is going to feel more substantial.
    Fran Hall (the owner of Race Car Replicas) is a nice guy, but really busy! They make like 7 different car models in their shop. I've read nothing but glowing reviews from people that have seen his operation, so I'm jazzed abou tvisiting it in a few weeks to select a color and see what this thing looks like in person.
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  9. Fran

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    Thanks for the kind words guys,
    Hey BT we are looking forward to having you here....bring your cheque book you may want to add to your collection....
     
  10. CR-X

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    Yep mine made 221whp with bolt ons and KPro (Engine management)
    You picked the best Naturally aspirated 4cyl (along with the F20C). I would skip the drivetrain from the Si, its drive by wire and the ecu cannot be used with KPro. If your looking to buy a drivetrain I will suggest talking to Steve at www.hmotorsonline.com and get a Japanese drivetrain. That K20 has a half point more compression, an LSD and slightly shorter 4th-6th gears. Before you do any sort of track driving you will need to get a baffled oil pan, with the stock one on high G corners oil sloshes away from the pickup causing the engine to starve of oil.

    www.k20a.org is where I recommend you sign up, site is a wealth of knowledge for the K-series.
     
  11. BT

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    I have already purchased the motor / trans. I know Hondata does not offer K-pro for this motor, but they do reflash the ECU to lower the threshold for the Vtec to start. I think this in combination with a good intake, header, pipe, and mild Supercharger should give me around 240 hp at the wheels which is plenty. I have read about an oiling system add on that doesn't require rebaffling the oil pan or changing the pickup. It goes as an intermediary at the oil filter location to keep oil available during long turns. Any thoughts on that? I'm pretty clueless with the electronic parts, but I lke to learn!
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  12. Bavarian Motorist

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    Maybe you should have gotten the K20a (Civic type-R) motor instead. 220hp.



    Congrats either way :)
     
  13. TexasF355F1

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    Sweet! It looks great.

    We'll definitely need videos once it's done.

    This is RWD though, correct?
     
  14. LightGuy

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    Or an Accusump which can pre-pressurise the oil passages before start up.
     
  15. SSNISTR

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    Oh yes.



    BT, do you know what it will weigh with the engine appx?

    I'm comparing with a T Rex....
     
  16. BT

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    Yes, mid engine / rear drive. Total with motor / trans/ and body panels should be around 1300 pounds (the test car with motor / trans and no accessories or body panels was 1150). So a 240 RWHP motor with a 16% driveline loss would translate into a 285 hp crank motor (the power a manufacturer would advertise). So power to weight would be around 4.56:1 or the same as if a Ferrari 430 has 700 hp. Aero drag will give the heavier / higher hp car an advantage after a certain point, but mountain driving / short track driving would probably favor the lighter car. And the price is unreal! If you are thinking this car might be for you I'd get the cash together quick as I don't see how the current pricing can stay for long.
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    Neat car I know the Atom 2 will be much like this and street legal in the states

    will this be street legal as well or track only?
     
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    I will be registering this car for street use in Florida. While it is similar to the Atom2, I prefer the look of this car, and the price is about 1/3 of the Atom, but I will need to do some completion of the assembly. I like to learn, so that is good with me, and saving $40k is also a good thing!
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    You're really making me tempted to sell my car and buy a beater and this.

    Nah, I can't do it. Some day though.
     
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    Nice! I was wondering as I saw no lights or signals on her...kind of the same problem as registering a Radical SR5 for the street here
     
  21. BT

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    The car will have lights and signals. The rendering above shows the test car with the body panels added via Pshop or some similar visualization software. The mirrors will be from a Kawasaki 1000 with integral turn signal indicators. Rear running, brake, and turn signal lights also are included in the basic car. It is primarily designed as a track car but has some concessions for those who want to register them for street use (like me).
    There is not much info available for the car currently, but I should get some dimensions, etc... in a month when I go up there to check it out.
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  22. GatorFL

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    Bill, where are they building them?
     
  23. SSNISTR

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    Michigan I think.
     
  24. CR-X

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    You are going to need to get the reflash, how are you going to run the ecu? Its my understanding that without the full ignition and key from the donor vehicle you cannot run the motor using that ecu. What you need to do is throw away the drive by wire throttle body, get an adaptor for the RBC intake manifold that came with the motor (the oem best manifold) that allows you to run a cable driven throttle body and iirc you use the RSX or JDM integra wiring harness and KPro. You will need to modify one plug on it for the new style electronic speed sensor. Its best if you look on K20a.org they have all the info there. To be honest few people use the 06+ Si full drivetrain so I cant remember 100% whats needed. With the common bolt ons you will be at around 205-210whp add a blower running 8 Psi and you should be seeing just over 300hp. I wouldnt even bother with the blower. 220whp with such short gearing in a 1300lb car is going to be fast. With that power my car had a trap speed of 109.7x mph, now imagine that in a car weighing 800lbs (40%) less. I have never heard of the intermediary that your talking about. The K-series engines are very sensitive to oil pressure etc, they need lots of oil pressure at low rpm and for IVTEC to activate, even running an external oil filter or using thicker oil can cause a big drop in oil pressure. With no baffle in the factory pan what happens is oil moves up the timing cover side of the motor away from the oil pick up. This has led to quite a few Euro track cars losing engines so I would def recommend upgrading the oiling system... its the weak link of the K-series, along with the timing chain/tensioner. The oil pump tends to cavitate when revs are raised close to 9000rpm. Like I said above the motor needs lots of oil pressure so to compensate Honda runs the pump at 1.6 times the engine speed, at 9000rpm the pump is running 14000rpm+. Thankfully all these issues can be addressed.
     
  25. teak360

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    Yes, right in the greater Detroit area. I think they have direct access to materials and engineering related to the auto industry
    that other kit car makers can't match.
     

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