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  1. houtie123

    houtie123 Formula Junior

    Dec 9, 2007
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    I’ve a non valved Capristo that’s been on the car since new. The car is an 08 F1 spider with 15,000 miles. After a 20 mile drive today I parked as normal in the garage. A couple of minutes later I needed to move the car. As I started it I heard a sound like a metal door banging ( and believe me it might indeed have been a door and nothing more than a coincidence) and the sound resonated from the rear of the car.

    Now when I start the car and push the throttle i get an additional loud bass resonance that was not there before.

    I had a quick drive and it’s permanently there at all revs, but obviously fades if you lift your foot. It sounds like there’s some exhaust leak etc. but as the exhaust system is s/steel my initial thought was to discount that as the source.

    My first thoughts were the manifolds, but I think I’m correct as it’s an 08 it would have had the improved manifolds on. A quick check at the records tells me they were replaced in 2011. Visually there’s nothing to see.

    My question is what else might it be? The car drives normally in all other respects- no jerkiness or misfires. Also, is it safe to drive or should I not use it until fixed? Perfect Christmas timing too ….
     
  2. AandSC

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    What muffler mounts do you have installed? I would start by looking at those. Your stock manifolds would be the second item to look at. Even the newest iteration were prone to cracks.
     
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  3. houtie123

    houtie123 Formula Junior

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    The muffler mounts are the Capristo brackets which were retorqued not long ago, and there’s no vibration etc there.
    If it is the manifolds, what would folk recommend instead of OEM? I’m just looking for a good maintenance free design rather than any power gain.
     
  4. AandSC

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  5. JaguarXJ6

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    I would still check the exhaust brackets and do a thorough check of your muffler section and exit tubes from underneath to see if you developed a split.

    Long story short, I was using the wrong brackers with my aftermarket exhaust. One of them eventually failed and caused a healthy split on the underside of one of the tubes that sounds exactly like you describe, except for hearing a metal bang.

    This year I'm going with Valvetronic Designs catless manifolds and whatever 360Trev recommends as the best way to flash out the CEL they will cause. As long as the manifolds are equal length (I have an inquiry in to verify). They are a 4-2-1 design which preserves the OEM-like exhaust pulses and engine note of the original manifolds.
     
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  6. jo.e

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    I would read out the ECU. I would then check the entire exhaust system, including the catalytic converters. The inner monoliths can become loose here or can shaking inside. Manifolds crack in every generation, but you can't see this from the outside. You can usually smell it and hear it if you stick your head into the engine compartment near the manifold. You can be absolutely sure after removal.

    I think you have the Capristo Racing, which is designed for the high sound. The Capristo manifolds are the best for performance. If you want an even higher sound and a manifold that is on a par with the Scuderia or Challenge manifolds in terms of performance, then I recommend the Kline. These are the only 4 in 1 manifolds that the car can handle and do not lose power without a tune and they have a high pitch.

    What I wouldn't completely rule out would be both or a crankshaft position sensor. If the valve overlaps no longer fit 100%, then it sounds much deeper, but also no longer has full power. I've already had this with two vehicles. Everything else was fine and I couldn't explain why it suddenly sounded so deep, even though a Kline was installed. I was then able to turn the car off and on again and the high-pitched sound was back. Only when an error was also in the ECU (but without an engine control light) did it no longer help to switch the car off or on again. Then we had to replace the sensor and everything was fine again.

    What somehow still doesn't fit 100% is the bang as if from a door, at most a violent stress crack of a part. But it's very difficult to judge this in front of the laptop and not on the car.
     
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  7. DOWORKFCAR

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    I bet it’s your headers. I’d be swapping for aftermarket. I’m pleased with my Capristo set up.
     
  8. craze

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    How much were these and what year is your car??
     
  9. AandSC

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    Michael, I paid around $5400 delivered. My car is a very late 08 model. The original manifolds were replaced at about 10K miles for cracks, although I smoke checked the stock manifolds when I replaced them and they had no cracks. I installed the Capristo exhaust brackets shortly after taking delivery, which I think helps, although I acknowledge you can remove the lower brackets and achieve the same result.
     
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  10. houtie123

    houtie123 Formula Junior

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    An update on my situation - the dealer removed the under tray for inspection. He found the bolts in the manifolds were loose - on both sides! Non were missing though. He surmises that there was some movement in the manifolds that would produce the additional noises - especially at start up when the pressure ramps up.

    I never heard of this before, but it seems it would be worth factoring this into any inspection when the car is on the ramp. I have been exceptionally lucky - just new gaskets and nuts.

    Incidentally, thanks for all your suggestions re Kline and Capristo. I will make a call on those when my manifolds need doing. My dealer did tell me that normal OEM replacements are £9000 for a pair ; however he says he can offer an OEM Challenge pair (the same but no pre cat and guaranteed not to throw a CEL). He offers those at £4500!,

    Has anyone come across those and used them? It seems reassuring to have a dealer guarantee it won’t throw a CEL, at half the cost…….
     
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  11. CoreyNJ

    CoreyNJ Formula 3
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    I have the Challenge headers and they are a bit louder than stock because they lack the pre-catalytic converters. I got them when they were much cheaper, they are about double now and if I had to pay what they cost today, I would buy the Tubi.
     
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  12. GogglesPisano

    GogglesPisano F1 Rookie
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    Thanks for posting what the problem was. As for the challenge headers, there are many here running those and are very happy with them. They use to be much cheaper so it was the preferred "fix" for the header issue. As they've gone up in price, the aftermarket options start to play in.

    I'm wondering if the sound you heard was the seal breaking between the exhaust manifold and the head itself. Perhaps the bolts had worked loose but the seal was holding until that last initial start broke it free.
     

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