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  1. Bobj

    Bobj Formula Junior

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    What kind of variation was there in the suspension set up of the 250 road cars? e.g. I have a 250 Cab SII but would the Cal Spider have been sprung and damped very differently?

    I know even a lot of race cars in the 60's were much softer than road cars are today (I have an Autodelta GTA, which raced and won in period, was on original suspension, but I put that in a box for posterity and put something stiffer on as it was very soft even for road use) but I can't imagine taking my SII on track

    I know people did race the Lusso in period but I assume not with the standard suspension?
     
  2. John Vardanian

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    Bob, re the 250 GT/L, I had the presence of mind to note the setting of the dampers before taking them apart. They were right in the middle. I can only assume that no one had touched them before me.

    john
     
  3. Bobj

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    Interesting. I didn't realise they were adjustable. Did you try changing them? I would probably prefer a stiffer set up for more spirited driving (as long as it could be put back easily afterwards should I choose to sell it - unlikely but it doesn't feel right to make any changes which can't be completely reversed, given the cars originality)
     
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    #5 solofast, Sep 4, 2016
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    Remember that back in the day these cars were raced on real roads and the tracks they raced on weren't much much better, not at all like the billiard table smoothness of the race tracks of today.

    Races like the Targa, LeMans and many hillcilmbs were run on closed public roads, and Sebring was notoriously rough. They had to contend with bumps and rough surfaces and a car sprung too stiffly would have just bounced from bump to bump.

    For that reason they weren't set up as stiffly as race cars of today, and that goes for spring rates, sway bar rates and shock rates. Also remember that up until the early 60's suspension tuning was really a black art. They did their tuning with tire sizes, spring rates and shocks, but not so much with sway bars. And also tires were taller and softer, which also softens the ride rate.

    Tires were taller and skinnier and were not a sensitive to the camber change you get from body roll, so keeping the car flat was not as important as it became as tires got wider.

    The race cars were lighter and even with the same springs would have been relatively stiffer than the GT cars. I'm sure the race cars had a relatively higher spring rate but when you see photos of the amount of body roll that the race cars had at the time it's clear that they weren't overly stiff.

    It was a different place and time.
     
  6. Bobj

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    Thanks, mine is an early car, would it still have Koni's?

    I seem to remember someone saying that only the later SIIs had KONI shocks?

    Appreciate things were different back then but I think, even keeping with period, I could run a better set up. I have a 904 on period springs and dampers, which handles brilliantly, even by modern standards on both road and track
     
  7. John Vardanian

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    Bob, what car do you have, a Series II Cab? These car were originally fitted with lever shocks, not the tube type.

    john
     
  8. Bobj

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    Yes, do the lever shocks have any adjustment?

    Thanks!
     
  9. DWR46

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    OK, here we go. Series II Cabriolets were first built with Houdaille lever shocks, and starting about chassis #2300, they switched to tube type shocks, first Miletto, then Koni. So most Cabriolets have tube shocks. Both the Houdaille and Koni shocks are adjustable. When set up correctly, both types work well for street usage. In racing, the lever shocks tended to overheat, and boil the fluid, thus rendering the shock non-functional. That is the main reason the Koni shocks were adopted by Ferrari.
     
  10. John Vardanian

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    Thanks Dyke, did not know.

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  11. Bobj

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    Great info thanks, mine is 1697 and so I assume is lever but I am travelling at the moment so I can't check

    I assume the lever shocks don't adjust?

    I guess the 250 SWB had lever shocks also however? I have driven a couple of these with a very firm damped ride so I guess there must be different Spring rates / grades of lever shocks used?

    I might do a road rally in it - any thoughts on reversible changes to firm it up a bit ?
     
  12. DWR46

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    Bobj: Go back and read my post, lever shocks DO adjust. All SWB's had tube type shocks.
     
  13. Bobj

    Bobj Formula Junior

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    Many thanks, will have a look when I get back
     
  14. Longstone Tyres

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    Just to throw a spanner in the mix. i think the majority of 250 cars are over tyred. i don't think a 250 fitted a bigger tyre section than a 185 (be it 162 or 15" wheels)
     

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