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Takumo Sato's start????

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  1. kizdan

    kizdan F1 Veteran

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    What is your opinion on Takumo's start? He took off like a bat out of hell and bumped Schumi.........should he have been penalized?
     
  2. Mark(study)

    Mark(study) F1 Veteran

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    What keeps the guys in back from starting early?

    Most sports that start from a standing-start usualy have many false-starts?

    Why not F1?
     
  3. kizdan

    kizdan F1 Veteran

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    What keeps them from starting early is a sensor mounted on the car that is linked to a sensor on the starting grid. There is no way that anyone can get away with a false start, since it is monitored electronically.

    Takumo had an amazing start, and was able to fly up the grid. I am questioning the bump into Schumi.........should there have been any kind of penalty, or was it a racing incident?
     
  4. tifosi

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    I tivoed it and replayed it in super slow mo a few times as I thought he left early. All I could see is he had a great start and was moving after the lights when out but before anyone else reacted
     
  5. F1racer

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  6. ChrisfromRI

    ChrisfromRI Karting

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    He ended even earlier than he started...
     
  7. imperial83

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    Agreed 100%. That car should have been pulled out by BAR Team heads a long time before it blew up. Smoke coming out of a car is never good. You are not going to end the race with smoke coming out of the car so early. Poor DC bore the brunt of the incedent when he got rammed from behind.
     
  8. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    F1 uses induction lines in the asphalt, which detect early movements of a F1 car. If you jump the start, you will get penalized, normally a drive through the pitlane or 10 second stop penalty.

    The press/other drivers might say he jumped the start. I don't think he did, as normally a statement would have been issued by the marshalls. His early retirement might have prevented that though.

    As far as him bumping MS goes: Well, that's racing.
     
  9. marco246

    marco246 Formula Junior

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    I wonder whether Sato's engine failure is directly related to his start. Did he over-rev the engine?
     
  10. tifosi12

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    Interesting question since this year we don't have launch control anymore.

    Personally I'd think it was unrelated and probably caused by the 2nd start.

    PS: Panis didn't cause the 2nd start (as the Speed commentators assumed). It was a technical glitch with the start equipment.
     
  11. ralessi

    ralessi Formula 3

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    What are the physics/strategies behind quick starts? You'd think that Ferrari would be up on this. What makes Renault/BAR have such quick starts yet Ferrari's are normally lackluster - does it have to do with the tires?
     
  12. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    That's the ten million dollar question, isn't it?

    I don't think it has anything to do with the tires. Obviously drivers' reaction time plays a role. Also the pressure of the WC: You don't want to jump the start if you have a WC at stake, whereas otherwise you can play games.

    Allegedly Renault has a system, that is capable of "reading" the induction lines in the tarmac. Technically imaginable, although at this moment only a rumour.

    Launch control per se are banned this year, but knowing F1 that doesn't mean they are completely gone. Just speced down and better hidden...
    :)
     
  13. Tuco

    Tuco Karting

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    I think the general consensus now is that he did in fact jump the start.
    As for bumping our man I think it was incidental and should be considered a racing incident. Obviously he used very poor judgement to continue racing with his engine giving signals of an immanent failure. Those track marshalls were extremly lucky they did,nt get killed by the subsequent crash , Sauber should send BAR the repair bill. McLaren too. Did,nt you all love it when Ross Brawn said " it would,nt be a total disaster if we did,nt win every race this season" That was great! I say WC for Schumacher by Magny Cours or sooner. Barrichello put in a good race considering the technical issues he was faced with.
     

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