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Tan goo in the oil reservoir

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  1. 2000 456M

    2000 456M F1 World Champ

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    Went to check my oil this afternoon and saw tan gunk on the oil cap and saw a layer on the oil in the reservoir. Is this just condensation or a sign of something more sinister? I've been driving the car pretty regularly this winter (at least once every ten days) so it hasn't been sitting all that much. Comments or advice appreciated. Your prayers if necessary.
     
  2. enginefxr

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    Depends on how much is there. Check your coolant level, if it's low you might very well have a problem. Tan slime sounds like coolant getting into the oil. A pressure check of the cooling system would tell all...
     
  3. 2000 456M

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    Thanks. I'll check it out.
     
  4. 2000 456M

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    I checked the coolant level (it's been > 4 hours since I last drove the car) and it's above the bottom of the reservoir by about a cm. There was the sound of air pressure being released when I unscrewed the cap, so the system might still be tight (I'm hoping that's an optimistice sign). The oil level was down below its reservoir base, but there was no goo on the bottom of the reservoir, just around the neck and on the bottom of the cap. Is a pressure check still in order?
     
  5. James in Denver

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    Dont mean to scare you and I'm not a mechanic, but I've been told thats a symptom of the head gasket going/gone. Oil and water (coolant) dont mix and you get that goo.

    Not good, I'd take the car to a FCar expert or dealer and have them check it.

    James in Denver
     
  6. 2000 456M

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    Thanks, I'm on it. I'll report back to this thread if it will help others in the future.
     
  7. enginefxr

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    Yes, I'd still do a pressure check of the cooling system. Can't be too safe. It may be as simple as condensation that gathered under the cap, by may be a signal the head gasket has given up too. If the engine is run excessively and not allowed to fully reach operating temp, condensation will build up in the oil system. Trust me, I have lots of engine customers that want their buddies to hear their new engine and start them up and shut them right back down for all that enter their garage-- not good.
     
  8. 2000 456M

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    That's interesting; it may indeed be the case IF it can happen with only one event: I almost never turn the engine on and then off, but I only made a fairly short trip yesterday and then shut the car down. Then I ran an errand in another car and when I came back, I moved the 456 a few feet and shut if off without having warmed it up again so that it wouldn't be hit when my daughter and I were shooting hoops. When we finished the game a half hour later, I pulled the 456 into the garage (noticing the temp needles were all the way on the cold side) and let it run a few minutes to get up to around 120 for both oil and water and then I turned off the ignition and checked the oil. If it CAN'T happen with just a single incident like I described (and the oil was clean a few weeks ago when I last checked the level), then it sounds like I should get that pressure check.
     
  9. enginefxr

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    No, one event won't make the oil like what you're describing. It takes some running time for the engine to "whip" the oil and coolant together. Just one event may leave some droplets of water under the cap, but that's about it. I'd have the cooling system pressure checked, just to be safe. Easier to replace a head gasket now, rather than have worse problems later. Hopefully, it will all check out fine...
     
  10. 2000 456M

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    Thanks for the info and good wishes. I'm shooting for a Wednesday appointment to get it looked at.
     
  11. 2000 456M

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    coolant pressure checked out okay as did inspection of cylinder heads through spark plug sockets. Must be condensation; Portland is located in a rainforest after all.
     
  12. enginefxr

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    Glad to hear that all checked out good. Better to be safe than sorry!!!!!!!!
     
  13. synchro

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    Did it look like the stuff in the first photo of this thread?

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129068
     
  14. 2000 456M

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    If it is clean oil your sludge would look lighter. More like a loose stool after some heavy Mexican with too much pepper....
    Sorry to be so graphic, but the color is fresh in my mind...
    :D
    BT
     
  16. SonomaRik

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    actually that was one of my thoughts too:
    so, one question to you is: how often do you drive it and how much time is spent using it when driven?

    Had this in my 348/Mondial T once, but after a couple runs: nada. And I know my seals are good
     
  17. 2000 456M

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    In the winter here I like to wait for dry days which can be fairly far apart. Usually I don't let it sit for more than ten days and when I take it out, I run it for at least a half hour and usually more. When I take it to work, which I do 1-2x/week whenever the weather is good, it's an hour each way at left lane freeway speeds (no need to get specific-LOL). I haven't taken it out since I had the coolant checked, however, but I hope to find out this weekend. I may even take it out in the rain if necessary (boo).
     
  18. oss117

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    One thing you can do that won't cost you much and cannot hurt is to replace the oil and the filters.
    Bring it up to the correct level and keep an eye on it.
    If the goo comes back you'll know something is cooking; if it does not come back then it was probably condensation.
     
  19. 2000 456M

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    Thanks to you and everyone else for all the advice. The oil and filters were just done less than 1000 miles and 3 months ago. The shop checked it out last week and gave a clean bill of health (see earlier post), so I don't plan on going into panic mode. I'll check the reservoir after my next drive (it may not be for awhile; soggy weather in the forecast for the next ten days).
     

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