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Tdf aperta is coming.....

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  1. Traveller

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    Agreed but the opportunity to piss off 10 F60 owners and at least 3 or 4 SP car owners, two cars currently in build.

    I think not, but.......
     
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  3. x599

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    If F12M is the last NA generation, then the TDF Aperta will be the ultimate modern GT Ferrari no doubt!
     
  4. GHG

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    Is there any public information about the completed F12 cabrio SP vehicles?
     
  5. ChalStrad

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    Depends what you refer to as the F12M. The next 12 cylinder Ferrari will have a NA V12 of 6,5 litres.

    As to an Aperta, my understanding is that no decision has yet been made and how you explain to 10 F60 owners who spent a HUGE amount of money that their topless F12 is no longer quite as exclusive, and that it can be bought at a fraction of the price may pose a problem
     
  6. Traveller

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    Thank you Peter. Add in the SP owners and the fact that any production run would offer a more usable roof solution and to me the case is closed on the F12 Aperta. The 'M' is a different issue.
     
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  8. x599

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    Hi Tim, I understand the problem now, but can you please explain more why the "M" is a different issue?
     
  9. Traveller

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    To answer that I think we all need to wait for the launch.
     
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    Just like for the Sergio buyers the money is in the unique bodywork and engineering to make a stronger structure for the open body in the case of the F60. The F60 has all new body work by Pininfarina and the arrival of another open model doesn't reduce it's intrinsic value.
    The P540 superfast aperta also preceded the 599 SA aperta in the same way that the F60 would precede future open versions.
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    The tdf aperta might be similar to the f60 but the market will always value the f60 much higher as proved by the value of other models that are just a little different but much rarer and hence cost much more.

    Plus ferrari has proven it doesnt care about pissing off their clients (should that happen). See laf and laf spider..
     
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  13. Caeruleus11

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    You may be right.

    I think there are several posters here who have proven to have pretty reliable information in the past.

    For what its worth- when I've asked this question, the response I've gotten from different people in the Ferrari sphere is: thats the F60 America.... It leads me to believe what ChalStrad and Traveller are saying, but I've learned we have to keep an open mind and wait and see. I agree, logically, they would have more cover to do the Aperta on the "M" model. However, I also understand they are pushing harder than ever to get money logged in for FY2016...
     
  14. x599

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    I'm really enjoying reading this discussion.
     
  15. nads

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    Where there is a will, there will always be a way........ ;)
     
  16. Murcielago_Boy

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    By offering them the first cars....
     
  17. Caeruleus11

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    Touché! I think you might be on to something with that idea. But it seems a bit duplicative- how about offering a choice of first cars or LF-spyder.....???
     
  18. Traveller

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    That wouldn't work for me if I owned an F60. Also, look at the timing-we are only just getting started with tdf deliveries, no Lusso deliveries, no LF Spyder deliveries, F12M will be up shortly and now you want to plug in an Aperta?

    All my contacts have denied it, not that it necessarily means anything, but virulently so. How would you feel if you had just put down €4m for an SP Aperta, and now the factory rolls out a production car. I just can't see it, I can definitely see it with the M, the logis is overwhelming.
     
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    does anyone know what color gold this is?
     
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  21. amenasce

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    I dont understand why an Aperta is impossible if based on a TDF but possible if based on an F12M. Logisticly wise, im sure they can find a way.TDF have been in production since last November. But the argument of the SP Aperta owner however has no logic because the F12M will not be THAT different that the SP Aperta/F60 owners wont be offended/pissed (If they will at all).
     
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    Based on info on here F12M will enter production after TDF production complete, so end 16 early 17. There are the anniversary 70 cars extra TDF (another thread) so no space for anything else. The next Aperta is more likely to be higher volumes compared to 599, so i would suggest in 2019 as the run out of the F12M before a new platform car in 2020. But... Ferrari are small enough to change their mind and react to the market, and as with many businesses, will be investigating different options all the time, not all of which get through to the market. They are excellent at keeping everyone guessing, and full credit to them for that.
     
  23. Traveller

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    Well, wait and see then. Montpelier has best explained, but to add, the M will most likely be sufficiently different to the F12M as the Lusso is to the FF, hence an Aperta based on the M should also be sufficiently different so as to leave space between the SP cars and F60. I also pointed out the demand on the V12 line at present.
     
  24. Caeruleus11

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    That is fascinating!
     
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    I just realize how the shoulders look like the F12 shoulders, and how the diffusor looks like the GTO diffusor.

    I knew that car since a long time but didn't notice those two things. That car looks like a prototype for 3 upcoming V12 ferraris : Aperta, GTO, F12
     
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    Does anyone has any information about?
     

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