Team order penalty.

No Penalty !

 

You are kidding right!!, Have a look here if you can be bothered Rob..I can't http://www.fia.com/en-GB/sport/regulations/Pages/FIAFormulaOneWorldChampionship.aspx

 

There was no penalty, therefore there was no violation

 

Following unfortunate misunderstandings in the Grands Prix at Valencia and Spa, the FIA has revised the Red Car Rule for Formula 1. These amendments will be applied with immediate effect:

1) Overtaking a Ferrari is not permitted under any circumstances.
2) In the pit lane, a Ferrari always has precedence over other cars.
3) Any driver finishing less than 25 seconds ahead of a Ferrari will be penalized 25 seconds.*
4) If neither Ferrari finishes in first place, the stewards reserve the right to declare the result null and void (or to adjust it as necessary).
5) Only Ferrari drivers are permitted to use anything other than ‘designated’ parts of a circuit.
6) If forced off the ‘designated’ part of the track by a Ferrari, the guilty driver should immediately crash his car and return to the pits
6) Any driver or team appealing against any FIA decision in favour of Ferrari may be subject to a fine and/or the deduction of points.
*Subject to post-race adjustment by the stewards.

 

I'm amazed that you guys constantly bash the FIA for not punishing Ferrari for the team orders, but completely ignore that MCL (Hockenheim) and BMW (Montreal) did the same and got no penalty...

 

Didn't you notice the unwritten wording?: No team orders ... after the last commercial.

 

What are you guys talking about that was a beautiful pass that Massa set up for several lasts, closing while not over cooking his tires. Just Beautiful!

 

Or in Brazil of last year.

 

That was different. The triumph of the cheated over the cheaters.

 

The problem is the FIA rules, they make them up as they go along, after MS and RB made a joke out of team orders, they said no more, the trouble is does any one take any notice, and I don't care for one, but to me it only highlights the inconsistant and irrevelant open to interpretation adhoc rule's.

 

It's a stupid rule IMO. I understand the desire but enforcement is/will be rediculous.

Heck, I even like the idea of team orders.

 

There can't be a rule that penalises a driver for yielding a place for obvious reasons and there isn't.
There is a team orders rule but Ferrari didn't give any orders.
No penalty.

 

Here is a scenario - if McL decides in advance to tell Mr. Hamilton to just hold back (this weekend) and finish 3rd or so, would that be a "team order" that affects the outcome of the race?

This is a ridiculous rule (i.e. the "no team orders"). It is as futile as alcohol prohibition proved to be in the U.S. during the roaring 20s.

 

Well, with team orders, FIA shows consistency - they ignore them. (rightfully so)

 

Until such a time it's suits them to meddle with the results, thats the point!!

 

Not true.

First of all, you really have no way to know that Heiki was "told" to move over...

but that doesn't matter. Team orders rule is very clear..


"TEAM ORDERS THAT CHANGE THE OUTCOME OF THE RACE ARE BANNED".


Even if McLaren told Heiki to move over, it did not change the outcome of the race. Hamilton was much faster than Heiki and was going to pass him no matter if he made it easy or hard.



When Massa passed Kimi, not only did they both acknowledge they moved over for team orders, but Kimi was faster than Massa.



Therefore, Ferrari have broken the no-team-orders rule twice in as many seasons.

 

The way that I interpreted the rule was that the team cannot give orders to the drivers. What the drivers decide they want to do on track (or what has been decided that they will do before the race) is completely up to them.

 

+1
This is why Kimi kept stating during the post-race interviews that "he knew what the team expected of him". In other words... he decided on his own to give up the position, and the team did not order him to do so.