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  1. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Donald Trump thinks so !!
     
  2. daytona355

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    Lap dancing bars? I’m in...... just make sure they have the special ‘suites’ for VIPs to really get to know the girls!
     
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    For once, me and you agree..... the kid is being used as a tool to further the dark ends of the worst side of the environmental movement.... whether she realises it or not. Did you see the lazy good for nothing bastards camped out in the centre of LONDON today? None have a job, so why do they feel they have a say in what MY tax money and yours is spent on.... ****ing idiots should be run over by some nice V12 metal
     
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  4. Mitch Alsup

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    Why do you not go move to Chernobyl or Fukushima?

    Except for the 40 Million tons of waste that nobody can go close to for 40 years after shutting down an end of life reactor.
    At least with coal, once you turn it off it is completely safe.

    My point::
    There have been 3 major problems over the past 50 years with free enterprise nuclear power plants. {And thousands of minor problems}
    The US NAVY has never had a major problem with a nuclear power plant.
    If one had the US Navy operating the electrical power plants; I, personally, would be for nuclear power.
    But under a profit motive free enterprise scenario, I see too many downsides.
    Plus if somebody does blow one up, I want to be able to courts martial them and use a firing squad as needed after conviction.
     
  5. Jack-the-lad

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    Indeed!

    I enjoyed your article on the Tipo 151. I saw the car crashed at Goodwood a few years ago. That was a sad and sorry sight.:(
     
  6. jmillard308

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    Yep, coal is much safer than nuclear - NOT
    https://www.thebalancesmb.com/most-common-accidents-occurring-in-the-mining-industry-2367335

    Some interesting comparisons here -
    https://ourworldindata.org/what-is-the-safest-form-of-energy
     
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  7. william

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    #57 william, Oct 8, 2019
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    Both of your examples were accidents, almost predictible.
    In the case of Chernobyl, human error plus some construction defects lead to the catastrophe.
    The plant was a relic of the Soviet era and wasn't safely operated.
    As for Fukushima, the choice of location near the coast in a country prone to tsunami made the plant vulnerable to the forces of nature..
    But nuclear plants can be built and operated safely as many are all over the world.

    Coal kills people underground, and pollutes above ground. It's the worst form of energy for the environment. Have you lived in a coal mining region, and near a coal-fired power station ? I have !
    Where I lived in my youth, nobody could keep windows opened because of the coal particules in the air. Mother couldn't put her washing to dry outside. There were constant clouds of dust in the air, and most people suffered respiratory problems, often leading to early death. Mining incidents were common, and almost every household had lost someone in the mine in the last 3 generations.
    So please, don't advocate coal as a source of energy without acknowledging this.
     
  8. Nembo1777

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    Thank you Jack, I was there too the day it crashed and remember screaming in anger and frustration when I saw that.

    In 27 years of writing very few cars have meant so much to me, this article was unforgettable to do and when I came out of the car after the drive I was beaming:)!
     
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  9. Sig. Roma

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    I have a few thoughts here:
    - Nuclear - we know alot more about how to build and operate plants than we, the Soviets, Japanese etc did in the 1950s and 1960s. And it shouldn't take 20 years to build. I think the UK is wrong to use Chinese contractors to build its newest sites.
    - Coal - My grandfathers were both coal miners, and yes, there were a lot of problems with mining and burning coal But I have to believe that the industry has developed technology to clean coal fired power plants. Does anyone have any info on this?

    Dom
     
  10. william

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    Unless I missed something, until recently the situation in UK was this.
    The new nuclear plant at Hinckley was to be built by EDF (a French state electricity company) that has a huge experience in building nuclear power stations.
    The project was to be financed by China that would be repaid over the next 50 years.
    The idea was to use the best expertise, and at no cost to the British taxpayers.
    Our last Prime Minister stalled the project; she is anti-Chinese.
    In future, Britain will probably not be self-sufficient in energy, and will import electricity from the continent (France mainly).

    I cannot see how one can eliminate the toxicity of coal burning. Coal-fired power stations emit sulphur, apart from carbon particules, CO2, etc ...
    Even with the best effort to capture them in the latest power stations, a large proportion still enters the environment.
    Burning fossil fuel to generate energy is just polluting the atmosphere; coal is the worst, oil only slightly better, and gas the less noxious by far.
     
  11. Sig. Roma

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    I'm basing my comments on what the BBC reported, and the mentioned China and not France. Here in the Black Country, people my age talk about how things were horrible with coal fired heating.

    And gas isn't that polluting and we have plenty of it, so we might as well use it as its the best short term alternative. Renewables just don't do the job.
     
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  12. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Simply because not enough is invested in it !!!
    The potential of renewable energy is unlimited.
     
  13. Sig. Roma

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    the world has invested tons of money in renewables and they just don't work. You can throw more money at a loser and its still a loser. Time to cut losses.
     
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  14. Sig. Roma

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    And what we seem to forget, while we in the west reduce our usage of coal, and oil, the Chinese and Indians continue to build coal fired plants at an alarming rate (if that is the case). So no matter what we do, the changes will be small and not have an overall effect on total pollution.

    And our friend from Sweden (at least her parents should wake) and realize this.
     
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  15. Kiwi Nick

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    If Abetefool really thinks that appealing to pubescent Swedish girls is the way to "save" F1, I would suggest that he stick his nose in his iPhone and keep it there. Today the little Viking is trying to shut down oil pipelines in Montana.

    Renault should shift its emphasis to Formula E and stay there. NASCAR looks and sounds better every weekend.
     
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  16. Kiwi Nick

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    The state with the second-most solar panels generating electricity is North Carolina (second only to Cali). Because they generate electricity at a varying rate, all of the solar farms are backed up by natural gas generators. Because they are used as back up, the generators don't run very efficiently. Consequently, Duke energy is requesting that many of the solar farms be shut down because backing them up generates more CO2 that is the generators were permitted to run all the time. Net, net...increased requirements to use solar has increased air pollution in NC.
     
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  17. william

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    They work in countries where they are well managed.
    We have hardly scratched the surface when it comes to renewables, and already some want to give them up !
    Same as some refused to believe that the automobile would one day replace horse-drawn carts.
    "It's just a fade, it will never take on !" they used to say.
     
  18. william

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    They will give up coal-fire power stations before long; China has an enormous pollution problem in most of its big cities, and Chinese buyers turn increasingly to electric cars to continue to drive.
     
  19. Jack-the-lad

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    Every failed program...governmental, corporate, philanthropic, whatever....is usually explained by its proponents as, “Well, we just didn’t spend enough. Give us more money and we’ll make it work.”
     
  20. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ

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    True in most cases; it's the detractors who win the day.
    People generally don't like to back new ideas.
    Human nature is very conservative, this is why we carry over ancient traditions, defend outdated practices, and are reluctant to adopt new thinking.
     
  21. furoni

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  22. Jack-the-lad

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    How did that happen? I looked up and he was into the tire wall. Joe C. is a pretty damn good driver. His duel with Andy Middlehurst last year was amazing.
     
  23. I'm 360 Canuck

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    Depends where you live.
    Where I am in Canada, it’s pretty useless... not enough sunlight most of the year to get much from solar, and all the foreign wind turbines our government bought barely turn. Can only get so much energy from Niagara Falls turbines.
    Maybe some day they will find a way to turn cold into energy.
    For now, the solution here is nuclear.
     
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  24. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Has Canada exhausted all its hydro power potential ?
    But you have oceans on both side, and tidal power, which is still in its infancy, present a huge potential.
     
  25. Nembo1777

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    He was catching the leader and traffic, he tried to go around the outside of a backmarker who did not see him and moved to the outside to take the line so he was squeezed off into the damp grass. At that point you have zero grip, like ice.

    Happened to me at Silverstone in Formula Ford in 1988 in a pack of cars on lap two, took off at Becketts at top speed over rear wheel of guy in front I wanted to pass on the outside who never saw me and moved to the outside when I was committed so flew into wall... I came out of the wreck full of venom heading for the other guy but marshals stopped me. It just happens, that's racing.
     
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