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Tesla is really not fast at all...(really fast)

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  1. bberg009

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    #1 bberg009, Nov 30, 2017
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    I heard a lot about Tessa's 0-60 speed when electrical vehicles have high torque in the beginning. But how does it rate over a quarter mile (400 meter)?

    Bugatti Chiron - 9.4 seconds
    Proton Preeve - 9.5 seconds
    Bugatti Veryron SV ed. 16.4 - 9.6 seconds
    Dodge Demon - 9.65 seconds
    Ferrari, LaFerrari - 9.7 seconds
    Koenigsegg CCR - 9.7 seconds
    MacLaren P1 - 9.8 seconds
    Porsche 918 - 9.9 seconds
    MacLaren 720s - 9.9 seconds
    Lamborghini Aventador 750-4 SV - 10.4 seconds
    McLaren 650S - 10.4 seconds
    Ferrari 488 GTB - 10.5 seconds
    Porsche 911S - 10.5 seconds
    Tesla 100D ludicrous speed option - 10.5 seconds
    Ferrari 488 Spider - 10.6 seconds
    Lamborghini Hurracan 610-4 - 10.6 seconds
    Salem S7 - 10.6 seconds
    Ariel Atom 3S - 10.7 seconds
    Nissan GTR - 10.8 seconds
    Noble M600 - 10.9 seconds
    Acura NSX - 11.1 seconds
    Maserati MC12 - 11.3 seconds

    Sources: manufacturer website, MotorTrend Magazine, Car and Driver, Wikipedia and zeroto60times.com
     
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  2. mello

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    What is speed when soul is lacking?
     
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    Once sedans got into the 4 second 0-60 range I stopped caring. Everything is fast now.
     
  4. TheMayor

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    Souless? :)

     
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    just a question.....in a 4 door car with 4-7 seats.....
    - when was the last time anybody here went from 0-60 in the fastest time they could?
    - when was the last time anybody here went from 0-100 in the fastest time they could?
    - when was the last time anybody here went from 0-1/4 mile in the fastest time they could?
    - when was the last time you did the 5 miles from the office to home in 45 minutes?
     
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    If you want fast and living on the edge buy a liter bike. Good way to move quick and get close to death if not actually reach it.
     
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    Utterly. Conveyer belt?
     
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  9. LP550

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    I feel like it's going to put down a 9.3 on a good run. Other than that it's 9.5 all day
     
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    They may be fast accelerating, but they won’t go too far of you drive them quickly, and the handling can’t be great with all that weight. The styling is so boring too, who can get excited about how Tesla look if they are really ‘car-guys’
     
  11. Mitch Alsup

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    It's better because it comes with a manual transmission.......
     
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    Might want to double check this?

    Also, the Rimac Concept One (one of the top EV supercars) is in the 9.9 range, so LaF is still faster
    And the Nio ep9, fastest Nurburgring lap, 9.8... Might be faster than LaF but no definitive data
     
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    Agreed, after the first few hundred feet, top end is not so great. P100 D picks up 22mph from the 1/8 to the 1/4.

    My F355 picks up 24.5mph from the 1/8 to the 1/4 and most people would consider it slow.
     
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    we all know 140 mph trap speeds quarter mile are practical. :D big ugly heavy 4-door sedan in pretty darn good company there when it is so slow in the quarter. ;)
     
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    Yup you are right 9.5 was 0-60 time not quarter mile for a Proton Preeve.. funny mistake:)
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    Hey! Washing machines are pretty cool!
     
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    Torque and speed are typically inversely proportional in electric motors. Electric motor designers try to always find a sweet spot depending on the application and in Tesla's case, it may have been launch acceleration (high stall torque) rather than top speed. Their curves however reveal something to brag about in how they have succeeded to maintain near stall torque levels over such a high RPM range. I tip my hat to them since I'm in the business of designing electric motors and actuators.
     
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    Impressive, you sound smart but I didn't fully understand that.. what is stall torque?
     
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    you might want to reconsider the handling comment - watching a Tesla at a bitumen motorkhna was gobsmacking - absolutely flat, smooth cornering. great example of chassis and suspension working with the power plant to get a terrific outcome.
     
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    The maximum torque in electric motors is typically achieved when the motor is stalled (not spinning) and pulling maximum current. As the motor turns to produce power, the torque drops.
    When specifying a motor for an application, designers target certain performance parameters along the curve or in some cases, precise operating points (constant torque-speed applications like a pump or actuator). I'm guessing Tesla was aiming for high torque at low RPM for impressive off line acceleration.
     
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    As good as a 458/488, or 812? That’s what I would reference it against in the context of it being a fast car.
     
  22. rob lay

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    I've already said how well the Tesla S handles for being so heavy and large, but what do I know, over 250 club races under my belt and owner of a S. I don't claim it is the best handling car, but handling is something they can improve drastically if they put their minds to it. As both sides have mentioned, Tesla hasn't been trying to set great track times yet, but watch out if they do. Weight is the only disadvantage, they have the advantage low center of gravity and being able to place exact pounds where they want perfectly balanced. The eye ball sucking torque and eye ball popping braking lends itself well to track times too, I heard.
     
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    Does it do cottons and mixed at 30 degrees ?
     
  24. Natkingcolebasket69

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    I take my 12 year old 25k cl65 merced any days versus all those cars... this video is not of my car but with an ecu/tcu tune and some gearbox mod this what it does for 1/10 of the price of most cars in the list;)


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    Sorry but you can't take a bunch of figures from all over the Internet and use them as a credible comparison. Wikipedia and zeroto60times are not primary sources, Wikipedia doesn't time cars, and it's information is as reliable or not as the sources it is gleaned from. Wikipedia and zeroto60 can cite each other in a circle of false information.

    Manufacturers are not always reliable either, some consistently dial their figures up or down, and motoring magazines, while at least primary sources, can get different figures for the same car, and are sometimes fed optimised media cars, though this is getting rarer.

    Aside from the super Proton the 911 CS being quoted as having the same time in this as a 488 GTB seems obviously wrong. I have reviewed both and the 488 is a much faster car. Manufacturers don't deal with quarter mile or 400m metres so much but the official figure for the 911 is 4.1 to sixty and 8.5 to 100 mph, compared with 3.0 to sixty and 8.3 to 125 (not 100) mph for the 488, suggesting a zero to hundred in the sixes for the 488. There is no way these cars come close to tying over 400m. Maybe a 911 Turbo S.

    That aside, you just can't compare figures from Wikpedia with figures from Motor Trend, or whatever. All from one magazine, would have comparative credibility.
     

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