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i'll throw in a curve ball here. If what you are saying is correct, which as a Testa owner i know it is, then the price drops should be evident all over the world including the UK.
Not necessarily. Supply and demand rules, even for LH cars. There are a bunch here in the States. More than the market can support. The styling is dated and newer models are more appealing hence the low prices here. Not that many RH drive TRs around hence more desirability in your part of the world. Even fewer in places like Australia so even more expensive to import a RH drive car there. I imagine a TR brings an even better price in Japan.
Ferrari built the TR for the American market. I gurantee there are far more hear than in Australia or the UK. Supply and demand generally do wonders for pricing. So, high supply and low demand = low prices. I thought 308s went for 60K in Australia which is 2X here in US.
Got my FML in the mail yesterday. Cover story was the auctions. Testarossa s/n 88497. 3 condition. 16,600 miles. Hammered sold @ $47K Testarossa s/n 88175. Not evaluated. 7,741 km. Hammered sold @ $71K 512 TR s/n 96657. Not evaluated. 10,000 miles. Hammered sold @77.5K Barrett-Jackson & RM Auctions FYI
$5.00 a gallon gasoline is going to kill the "weekend car" market. Unless its a car that gets decent miles a gallon ( gee, like the 3.2L Porsche 911) many cars are going to be hurt by the sudden jump in fuel prices in the USA. Middle America with its muscle cars are going to suffer the most. I like my old Trans Am that I have, but not enough to pay $5.00 a gallon to drive it. i would expect TR and other exotics that are not bluechip to take another small downturn if things keep going the way they are.
If prices for TR's so so much more in Japan, Australia & europe...what stops us from shipping them over seas to sell them? Customs fees??
Actually, 5.00 a gallon gasoline is going to kill my daily driving of 300 to 400 miles per week in my BMW. A far as the TR goes, BECAUSE it is a weekend car and NOT driven everyday, I could care less about the price of fuel. Also, a day drive in the TR at 5.00 a gallon is still 50% less than what it would cost to run a BOAT for a day. It's all relative................................
Not sure about Japan but I thought I read that a LH drive TR cannot be licensed for the road in Australia. Robert Hayden? Tell us. Fees of all kinds plus shipping adds a hefty amount to the cost as well.
Rob is busy working on his TR..See the Australian Section. He worked all last night preparing for the Concorse and it was rained out. he decided not to go. LHD cars can only be registered here when they reach 30 years of age. The import duties and taxes are huge and they compound on each other. 10% duty 10% Goods and Services Tax 33% luxury car tax over $60K then they need to be complied to local laws. Say another $5K Then 4% Stamp Duty and $600 registration (road tax) Then there is the supply and demand issue. A RHD testarossa of which i was told only 480 odd produced should always be worth more than a LHD. Then the other issue is that most Australian's will not have the balls to import a vehicle and be subject to the nasty surprises. An Australian car with a "real" documented service history will always be the choice of the average Australian. It's only nut cases like me and Rob that import cars and then get all the surprises. Cars are generally much better maintained and looked after in Australia compared to other countries. Only because we pay so much more for them here. So spending $20K on a TR does not hurt us as much when the car is worth $150K
agree. Why more people dont just live closer to work and save for a getaway place is beyond me. I have lived 4 miles from my job for the last 11 years. gas prices dont bother me per se, but they sure make food, shipping and everything else skyrocket too. I am hoping to buy some land to play on. I may just get out of cars permanently. NFA Guns are way cheaper. people with boats are nuts. Different strokes i guess. Be interesting to see what the markets do in the next few weeks.
I would not try and sell a Hummer at the moment. Remember 2 years ago they were free if you filled up the tank. Agree weekend toys probably are not affected by gas prices.
The town where I WORK is a **** Hole and the gangs and crime are rampant. The town were I LIVE is 30 miles away, 30 minutes, door to door. The advantage is more land for less money. The High School Footballers take great delight in pounding the crap out of the gang-bangers. Room for a big shop, lots of cars and a big yard. The neighbors are spread out further, nobody looking over my shoulder. I can target practice in my back yard legally. It's my sanctuary. I am at the base of the Cascade Mountain Range and some of the best driving roads around. My only connection to the grid is electricity with generator backup. When I retire I'll probably move further out to a bigger place so I can build and fly a Kit Fox or Rans. http://www.kitfoxaircraft.com/s7supersport.htm http://www.rans.com/_RTF/S-7LSmain.htm
I cannot confirm the 480 odd RHD testarossa's. However when i purchased mine 3-4 years ago in the UK and shipped to Australia, most advertisements on autotrader.co.uk stated "one of only 484 RHD TR built".
My thinking exactly, people will sell the daily driver and get a 4 cyl and the weekend car will be a little more "fun" than the previous daily driver. I drive 65 miles each way to work all interstate I have a 4cyl Accord for a daily driver and the TR for the weekend car
That is what i found. Testarossa Production started: 1984. Production ended: 1991. Total production: 7,177, 438 RHD. First serial number: 52979(?). Last serial number: 91923. 512 TR Production started: 1991. Production ended: 1994. Total production: 2,280, 50 RHD (38 ABS). First serial number: 89100. Last serial number: 99743. F512 M Production started: 1994. Production ended: 1994. Total production: 500, 41 RHD. First serial number: 99664(?) / 99744, 1/75. Last serial number: 99993(?) / 99774, 75/75.
Here are some more...other threads may link in. 166 Sport Production started in 1948, and ended in 1948. Total production: Three, all RHD. Serial numbers: 001 S, 003 S, 005 S. 166 Inter Production started: 1948. Production ended: 1950. Total production: 37, all RHD except for one. First serial number: 007 S. Last serial number: 0079 S. 195 Inter Production started: 1950. Production ended: 1951. Total production: 26, all RHD. First serial number: 0081 S. Last serial number: 0195 EL. 212 Inter Production started: 1950. Production ended: 1953. Total production: 81; 53 RHD. First serial number: 0107 ES. Last serial number: 0291 EU. 375 America Production started: 1953. Production ended: 1954. Total production: 12. First serial number: 0293 AL. Last serial number: 0355 AL. 250 Europa Production started: 1953. Production ended: 1954. Total production: 20, two RHD. First serial number: 0295 EU. Last serial number: 0351 EU. 250 Europa GT Production started: 1955. Production ended: 1956. Total production: 34, one RHD. First serial number: 0357 GT. Last serial number: 0447 GT. 410 Superamerica - Series I Production started: 1956. Production ended: 1956. Total production: 14, three SWB. First serial number: 0423 SA. Last serial number: 0501 SA. 250 GT Boano Production started: 1956. Production ended: 1957. Total production: 68, 22 Alloy bodies. First serial number: 0461 GT (Cabriolet). Last serial number: 0675 GT. 250 GT LWB - "TdF" Production started: 1956. Production ended: 1959. Total production: 78. First serial number: 0503 GT. Last serial number: 1523 GT. 410 Superamerica - Series II Production started: 1957. Production ended: 1957. Total production: 6, all SWB. First serial number: 0671 SA. Last serial number: 0721 SA. 250 GT Ellena Production started: 1957. Production ended: 1958. Total production: 50; seven low roofs, 43 high roofs. First serial number: 0679 GT. Last serial number: 0887 GT. 250 GT Pininfarina Coupe Production started: 1957. Production ended: 1961. Total production: 359, nine RHD. First serial number: 0725 GT. Last serial number: 2821 GT. 250 GT Pininfarina Cabriolet - Series I Production started: 1957. Production ended: 1959. Total production: 40, two RHD. First serial number: 0655 GT. Last serial number: 1475 GT. 250 GT LWB Spyder California Production started: 1957. Production ended: 1960. Total production: 50, seven alloy bodies. First serial number: 0769 GT. Last serial number: 1715 GT. 410 Superamerica - Series III Production started: 1958. Production ended: 1959. Total production: 12, all SWB. First serial number: 1015 SA. Last serial number: 1495 SA. 250 GT Pininfarina Cabriolet - Series II Production started: 1959. Production ended: 1962. Total production: 41. First serial number: 1213 GT. Last serial number: 3783 GT. 250 GTE 2+2 Production started: 1959. Production ended: 1963. Total production: 955, 57 RHD. First serial number: 1287 GT. Last serial number: 4961 GT. 400 Superamerica Production started: 1959. Production ended: 1964. Total production: 36; 15 SWB, 18 LWB, two Speciale, one 2+2. First serial number: 1517 SA. Last serial number: 5139 SA. 250 GT SWB Production started: 1960. Production ended: 1963. Total production: 168; 92 steel (10 RHD), 24 Comp (one RHD), 52 Alloy (three RHD). First serial number: 1539 GT. Last serial number: 4065 GT. 250 GT SWB Spyder California Production started: 1960. Production ended: 1963. Total production: 56, three alloy bodies. First serial number: 1795 GT. Last serial number: 4137 GT. 330 GT 2+2 Production started: 1961. Production ended: 1967. Total production: 1,088, 97 RHD. First serial number: 2947 GT. Last serial number: 10193 GT. 250 GTO Production started: 1962. Production ended: 1964. Total production: 36; 33 Series I, 3 Series II; eight RHD, all Series I. First serial number: 3223 GT. Last serial number: 5575 GT. 250 GT Lusso Production started: 1962. Production ended: 1964. Total production: 351, 22 RHD. First serial number: 3849 GT. Last serial number: 5955 GT. 330 LMB Production started: 1963. Production ended: 1963. Total production: 4, one RHD. Serial numbers: 4381, 4453, 4619, 4725 330 America Production started: 1963. Production ended: 1963. Total production: 50. First serial number: 4953 GT. Last serial number: 5125 GT. 250 LM Production started: 1963. Production ended: 1966. Total production: 32, 29 RHD. First serial number: 5149. Last serial number: 8165. 275 GTB Production started: 1964. Production ended: 1966. Total production: 454; 239 Short nose (18 RHD), 215 Long nose (13 RHD). First serial number: 05161. Last serial number: 08979. 500 Superfast Production started: 1964. Production ended: 1966. Total production: 36, eight RHD. First serial number: 5951 SF. Last serial number: 8897 SF. 275 GTS Production started: 1964. Production ended: 1966. Total production: 199, 19 RHD. First serial number: 06001. Last serial number: 08653. 330 GTC Production started: 1966. Production ended: 1968. Total production: 597, 29 RHD. First serial number: 6431. Last serial number: 11613. 365 GT 2+2 Production started: 1968. Production ended: 1971. Total production: 803, six automatics, 55 RHD. First serial number: 7499. Last serial number: 14099. 330 GTS Production started: 1966. Production ended: 1968. Total production: 100, one RHD. First serial number: 7835. Last serial number: 11713. 365 California Production started: 1966. Production ended: 1967. Total production: 14, two RHD. First serial number: 8347. Last serial number: 10369. 365 P Production started: 08/1966. Production ended: 09/1966 Total production: 2. First serial number: 8815. Last serial number: 8971. 275 GTB/C Production started: 1966. Production ended: 1966. Total production: 12, four RHD. First serial number: 09007. Last serial number: 09085. 275 GTB/4 Production started: 1966. Production ended: 1968. Total production: 350, 27 RHD. First serial number: 09021. Last serial number: 11069. 275 NART Spyder Production started: 1967. Production ended: 1968. Total production: 10, two alloy bodies. First serial number: 09437. Last serial number: 11057. 365 GTC Production started: 1968. Production ended: 1969. Total production: 151, 26 RHD. First serial number: 10241. Last serial number: 12795. Dino 206 GT Production started: 1967. Production ended: 1969. Total production: 152, two RHD. First serial number: 10523, 00102. Last serial number: 00404. 365 GTB/4 Production started: 1968. Production ended: 1974. Total production: 1,284; seven alloy, 158 RHD. First serial number: 10287. Last serial number: 17615. 365 GTS Production started: 1968. Production ended: 1969. Total production: 20. First serial number: 11227. Last serial number: 12493. Dino 246 GT Production started: 1969. Production ended: 1974. Total production: 2,487, 488 RHD. First serial number: 00400. Last serial number: 07650. 365 GTS/4 / 365 GTB/4 Spyder Production started: 1971. Production ended: 1973. Total production: 122, seven RHD. First serial number: 12851. Last serial number: 17073. 365 GTC/4 Production started: 1970. Production ended: 1972. Total production: 503, 42 RHD. First serial number: 13741 Last serial number: 16289. Dino 246 GTS Production started: 1971. Production ended: 1974. Total production: 1,274, 235 RHD. First serial number: 02174. Last serial number: 08518. 365 GT4 2+2 Production started: 1972. Production ended: 1976. Total production: 528, 133 RHD. First serial number: 15897. Last serial number: 19709. Dino 308 GT4 2+2 Production started: 1973. Production ended: 1980. Total production: 2,826, 547 RHD. First serial number: 07202. Last serial number: 15604. 365 GT4/BB Production started: 1973. Production ended: 1976. Total production: 387, 86 RHD. First serial number: 17185. Last serial number: 19445. 308 GTB Production started: 1975. Production ended: 1981. Total production: 2,185; 712 fiberglass (100 USA), 365 RHD (154 fiberglass). First serial number: 18317. Last serial number: 34503 (?). 512 BB Production started: 1976. Production ended: 1981. Total production: 929, 101 RHD. First serial number: 19271. Last serial number: 38487. 400 GT - Five-speed and Automatic Production started: 1976. Production ended: 1979. Total production: 501, 354 auto; 164 RHD, 137 auto. First serial number: 19353 (auto), 20789 (?) (five-speed). Last serial number: ? 308 GTS Production started: 1977. Production ended: 1980. Total production: 3,219, 184 RHD. First serial number: 20757. Last serial number: 34501. 400i - Five-speed and Automatic Production started: 1978. Production ended: 1984. Total production: 1,294, 873 auto; 180 RHD, 152 auto. First serial number: 23855(?). Last serial number: 55523 (auto). 308 GTSi Production started: 1980. Production ended: 1982. Total production: 1,743, 67 RHD. First serial number: 30735(?). Last serial number: 43079. Mondial 8 Production started: 1980. Production ended: 1982. Total production: 703, 145 RHD. First serial number: 31075. Last serial number: 41727. 208 GTB Production started: 1980. Production ended: 1982 Total production: ?? First serial number: 31219. Last serial number: ?? 208 GTS Production started: 1980. Production ended: 1982. Total production: ?? First serial number: 31249 Last serial number: 41265. 308 GTBi Production started: 1980. Production ended: 1982. Total production: 494, 74 RHD. First serial number: 31327. Last serial number: 43059. 512 BBi Production started: 1981. Production ended: 1984. Total production: 1,007, 42 RHD. First serial number: 38121(?). Last serial number: 52935. 208 GTB Turbo Production started: 1982. Production ended: 1985. Total production: ?? First serial number: 41357. Last serial number: 59277. 308 GTS QV Production started: 1982. Production ended: 1985. Total production: 3,042, 233 RHD. First serial number: 35351 Last serial number: 59265 308 GTB QV Production started: 1982. Production ended: 1985. Total production: 748, 74 RHD. First serial number: 41797(?). Last serial number: 59071. Mondial QV Production started: 1982. Production ended: 1984. Total production: 1,145, 152 RHD. First serial number: 49837(?). Last serial number: 55343(?). 208 GTS Turbo Production started: 1982. Production ended: 1985. Total production: ?? First serial number: 42863. Last serial number: 59279. GTO Production started: 1983. Production ended: 1985. Total production: 284. First serial number: 44421(?). Last serial number: 58345. Mondial QV Cabriolet Production started: 1983. Production ended: 1985. Total production: 629, 24 RHD. First serial number: 47247. Last serial number: 59163. Testarossa Production started: 1984. Production ended: 1991. Total production: 7,177, 438 RHD. First serial number: 52979(?). Last serial number: 91923. 328 GTS Production started: 1985. Production ended: 1989. Total production: 6,068, 542 RHD (292 ABS) First serial number: 55611(?). Last serial number: 83075. 412 - Five-speed and Automatic Production started: 1985. Production ended: 1991. Total production: 576, 306 auto; 85 RHD, 61 auto. First serial number: 58629(?). Last serial number: 87945(?). 328 GTB Production started: 1985. Production ended: 1989. Total production: 1,344, 130 RHD (53 ABS). First serial number: 58735. Last serial number: 83017. 3.2 Mondial Coupe Production started: 1985. Production ended: 1988. Total production: 987, 91. First serial number: 59165. Last serial number: 79671. 3.2 Mondial Cabriolet Production started: 1985. Production ended: 1988. Total production: 810, 57 RHD. First serial number: 59393. Last serial number: 78895. GTB Turbo Production started: 1986. Production ended: 1989. Total production: ?? First serial number: 63277; first "88.5" 76679. Last serial number: 83137. GTS Turbo Production started: 1986. Production ended: 1989. Total production: ?? First serial number: 63739; first "88.5" 76939. Last serial number: 83158. F40 Production started: 1987. Production ended: 1992. Total production: 1,315. First serial number: 73015. Last serial number: 95317. 512 TR Production started: 1991. Production ended: 1994. Total production: 2,280, 50 RHD (38 ABS). First serial number: 89100. Last serial number: 99743. Mondial t Coupe Production started: 1988. Production ended: 1993. Total production: 840, 45 RHD (3 Valeo). First serial number: 79453. Last serial number: 97698. Mondial t Cabriolet Production started: 1989. Production ended: 1993. Total production: 1,010, 51 RHD (5 Valeo). First serial number: 80339. Last serial number: 97733. 348 tb Production started: 1989. Production ended: 1993. Total production: 2,895, 130 RHD. First serial number: 81617. Last serial number: 96679. 348 ts Production started: 1989. Production ended: 1993. Total production: 4,230, 26 RHD. First serial number: 81651. Last serial number: 96964. 348 Serie Speciale Production started: 1992. Production ended: 1992. Total production: 116. First serial number: 92812. Last serial number: 95683. 348 Spider Production started: 1993. Production ended: 1994. Total production: 1,090, 68 RHD. First serial number: 96520. Last serial number: 99627. 348 GTS Production started: 1993. Production ended: 1994. Total production: 137, 15 RHD. First serial number: 96826. Last serial number: 99197. 348 GTB Production started: 1993. Production ended: 1994. Total production: 252, 14 RHD. First serial number: 96937. Last serial number: 99364. 456 GT and GTA Production started: 1993. Production ended: 1997. Total production: 1,936 (402 auto); 202 RHD, 61 auto. First serial number: 96244(?). Last serial number: 111127(?). F355 and 355 F1 Berlinetta Production started: 1993. Production ended: 1999. Total production: 4,915, 496 RHD (88 F1). First serial number: 98345. Last serial number: 115890(?). F355 and 355 F1 GTS Production started: 1994. Production ended: 1999. Total production: 2,577, 434 RHD (74 F1) .First serial number: 98894(?). Last serial number: 115891(?). F512 M Production started: 1994. Production ended: 1994. Total production: 500, 41 RHD. First serial number: 99664(?) / 99744, 1/75. Last serial number: 99993(?) / 99774, 75/75. F355 and 355 F1 Spider Production started: 1994. Production ended: 1999. Total production: 3,714, 454 RHD (139 F1). First serial number: 100986(?). Last serial number: 117040. F50 Production started: 1994. Production ended: 1996 Total production: 380. First serial number: 103097. Last serial number: 107240. 550 Maranello Production started: 1996. Production ended: 2001. Total production: 3,083, 457 RHD. First serial number: 100382(?). Last serial number: 129817(?). 456M GT and GTA Production started: 1998. Production ended: 2003. Total production: 1,271, 631 auto; 171 RHD, 139 auto. First serial number: 111372(?). Last serial number: 133044(?). 360 Modena Production started: 1998. Production ended: 2004. Total production: 8,500; 996 RHD (through 2003), 671 F1 (through 2003). First serial number: 112442(?). Last serial number: 138415(?). 360 Spider Production started: 1999. Production ended: 2004. Total production: 7,500; 725 RHD (through 2003), 379 F1 (through 2003). First serial number: 118155. Last serial number: 140517(?). 550 Barchetta by Pininfarina Production started: 2001. Production ended: 2001. Total production: 457. First serial number: 123075. Last serial number: 124426. 575M Maranello Production started: 2001. Production ended: 2005. Total production: ?? First serial number: 122976(?). Last serial number: 142227(?). Enzo Ferrari Production started: 2002. Production ended: 2004. Total production: 500. First serial number: 90865, prototype; 103820(?). Last serial number: 141920. Challenge Stradale Production started: 2003. Production ended: 2004. Total production: 1,288. First serial number: 131569(?). Last serial number: 141325(?). 612 Scaglietti Production started: 2003. Production ended: Current. Total production: N/A First serial number: 134122(?). Latest serial number: 160134. F430 Production started: 2004. Production ended: Current. Total production: N/A. First serial number: 138029(?). Latest serial number: 160401. F430 Spider Production started: 2004. Production ended: Current. Total production: N/A. First serial number: 140000(?). Latest serial number: 160865. Superamerica Production started: 2004. Production ended: 2005. Total production: 558 First serial number: 140436(?). Latest serial number: 146164(?). 599 GTB Fiorano Production started: 2006. Production ended: Current. Total production: N/A. First serial number: 146364(?). Latest serial number: 160318. 612 Sessanta Production started: 2007. Production ended: 2007. Total production: 60. First serial number: ?? Last serial number: 155221. 430 Scuderia Production started: 2007. Production ended: Current. Total production: N/A. First serial number: 156905(?). Latest serial number: 160530.
ok, ya got me, that sounds better than what I am trying to achieve now! But most people "could" live closer to work, but they do not, and all the guys at work complain about the drive, traffic, fuel, ect. i have 1 stop sign, and 1 traffic light. The 6 sets of railroad tracks are an issue though! i think good cars will always be sought after and worth "more". But the fact is, the TR is getting old, and is still expensive to maintain unless you have a lift at home, and can do the work. Most people with money just want to write a check and drive. That kills the value of the car in the market. Add the self destructing diff / transaxle, and you have guys wanting to spend the cash on a different car with less risk. i like the TR, but I wont buy one. too much risk versus the value of the car, same with the 308s people think are work $35k. Keep them, Ill buy something else!
$ 5,00 per gallon is killing ? Well..... make up your mind fast then .... In Europe we pay allmost $ 8,00 per gallon.... every day again .... (1 litre = € 1,60 now !). But for the weekend: what the hack... let's drive our TR's !!! And a good sign: TR prices are NOT sinking here now anymore...
Judging from Italian ebay, asking prices for TR's are pretty high, like upper $60,000's and above: http://annunci.ebay.it/auto-e-moto/auto/ferrari%20testarossa/