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TFT screen blinking and dying

Discussion in '612/599' started by Ds599, May 28, 2020.

  1. Ds599

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    Recently my TFT screen in the 599 start to blink and yesterday it diedfor a few mins before coming back... I was told by my dealer this requires a full replacement $6000 usd.... I wonder if there is any other way... thanks for your advice.

    I recall reading on this forum about some potential fix solution. Not sure if that’s a long term solution either


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  3. afwrench

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    Hi Q, other threads about this. FOA does a full refurbish for around $2500.I think it comes with a 2year warrantee . Mike
     
  4. Skidkid

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    Francorchamps America does this repair and is well known.
     
  5. Ds599

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    Thanks guys. I am located in Hong Kong, will need to explore finding a ship to the the cluster out and install after refurbish.


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  6. dc348

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    I have the same problem and going to get it out next week and send it to a place in Aust to get rebuild.
     
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  8. F3RN4ND0

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    I sent mine to clusterrepairs in UK.
    Check their web. They know 599 tft well. (No affiliation)
     
  9. Doc_Dent

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    I assume UR screen has been changed b4. As the original screen on 599s were LCD I guess.
    Having that said, did the guys at ferrari specify the replacement for LCD from their stock (or they even still make it?)? Or would it be provided from a certified third party?
    Now. I was about to buy a 599 a while ago from a friend to add to my collection, however after checking the car at Ferrari dealer, some stuff showed up to be deal breaker to me.
    One of them was they had the screen replaced (common thing BTW AS I learned) and I guess it was one of the reasons that the computer at the shop wasn't able to read the cars CPU correctly at the time, so I wasn't comfortable with that.
    Wanted to share my experience with 599 display screen, hope it helps.
    So getting a new one from a certified supplier would be a good idea in my opinion, and do check the CPU ((possible effect) if I am correct) with Ferrari dealer b4 proceeding.
    And generally, it's not a bad idea to think twice b4 replacing any uncertified stuff.
    Hope U get UR's done soon.
    Enjoy:),,,
     
  10. Skidkid

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    Many on here have had their display fixed, it is very common issue. The display may be available from Ferrari but they would be very expensive, I think it is in a prior thread. I do not believe Ferrari "certifies" anyone to repair the display. Repair does not interfere with the computer; your statement appears to be conjecture (not validated as the cause) on what caused a computer problem.
     
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  12. brogenville

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    Agreed; replacing a dead lcd screen on its own will do nothing to the instrument cluster firmware or programmable memory.


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  13. BMW.SauberF1Team

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    Not sure I follow your first lines. Are you saying the OP has a replaced screen because he/she calls it TFT and you say the original is LCD? TFT is a type of LCD screen.
     
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  14. Doc_Dent

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    https://www.techwalla.com/articles/what-is-better-tft-or-lcd


    TFT is the (let's say) newer generation of regular LCD or a variant of LCD as I understand.
    599s were coming with the (regular LCD), and that's the reason I guess Y lots of owners upgraded to TFT, cuz the regular ones has their problems with time.
     
  15. Skidkid

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    No one is making new/different screens. You just don't understand what is written.
     
  16. Doc_Dent

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    Well, I believe I do understand dear skidkid!
    In fact, PPL who had ther displays upgraded, sort of brag about having TFT LCD instead of the older generation LCD.
    Anyways, google the whole thing up, I guess U will understand better what I am reffering to.
    TC,,
     
  17. Doc_Dent

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    Probably U R right.
    But in the case of the car I mentioned, I believe the whole works has been changed not the display only. And some how it makes sense, cuz it might require different wiring or chips to install.
     
  18. Skidkid

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    Think what you want. Your next response makes it clear how little you know about this issue or electronics. For the record, my degree is in electronics engineering so I know the difference. The point is THERE IS NOT AN LCD AND A TFT VERSION; There is only one version. People are getting them repaired and most of the time they replace the driver chip that burns out, they don't change the panel. And changing the cluster does not require different wiring or different chips. It has to be programmed with an SD but it isn't voodoo magic.
     
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  19. Zaza

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    Exactly, one version only !
     
  20. Doc_Dent

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    Hhhhhhh.
    First of all, I can't care less about UR degree, as long as U R not getting my point or even trying:)
    And believe me not all degree holders R experts in their fields, in fact some .... well U get my point (I guess).
    Now, personally it crossed my mind that UR 1st reply was rude and a lil aggrisive by accusing PPL they don't understand! But after this reply U made it crystal clear to me.
    Oh, BTW, I think I was mixed between TFT(LCD) and LED, but excuse me after all my DEGREE is DENTAL SURGERY:D and it would've been great if there was a considerate and wise ELECTRONICS ENGINEER arround, kind enough to correct me in the first place.
    TC,,,
     
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  22. brogenville

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    While we’re being pedantic, Thin Film Transistors are a subset of Liquid Crystal Displays. Rather TFT are most often used as part of an LCD. So the 599/612 does use an LCD display, which is also a TFT display.




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  23. Doc_Dent

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    LOL.
    Just contact the guy who made the upgrade on the car I am reffering 2.
    He explained that it's from HID to LCD it's the lights that illuminate the cluster.
    The upgrade is to remove the HID circuit and replacing it with advance LCD light diode (5 VLT compared to 25000 VLT for HID!)
     
  24. Ds599

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    Thanks all. Maybe I should have call it a lcd to start off with. It is the original instrument cluster from day 1. Ferrari local dealer’s quotation is about 6500 usd (located in hk) and I called a few local Ferrari specialist. Most suggested I should just go back to dealer and get it done as it needs some sort of programming.

    I think shipping out of country for a fix might be more difficult for me as I need a proper shop here to do the work and most doesn’t wanna touch car if the parts are not from them.....

    I was hoping the issue might go away but it looks like it is getting worst, not better...


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  25. brogenville

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    Unless the programmable memory is corrupted, then coding or other programming of the cluster isn’t an issue for display repair. Those components either won’t be touched, or if they are then the contents can be downloaded and stored first for replication if needed.

    I honesty hate to think of anyone spending thousands to get these fixed when there are good companies out there that can do it reliably for a fraction of the price.

    Cluster Repairs here in the UK was recently referenced as a good place to go to.


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  26. Skidkid

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    This description sounds like the headlight system. They haven't ever used an HID in the display panel. I don't know if the 599 ever had anything but HID, I would think not. Technically it could be changed to LED but changing the light engine requires a redesign of the reflectors (if you want optimal performance from the). Xavier posted a picture of the driver chip that get replaced.
     
  27. Doc_Dent

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    My guy told me replacing with LED is possible, but U would lose any dimming options, so that's Y it's not normally done I guess.
     

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