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  1. technom3

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    the question is will they have the machinery and ability to do it at an affordable price...

    just so everyone knows... the gen 2 battery pack on a Mclaren P1 is 180k just for the pack... runs about 230 installed with a major
     
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    yup!
     
  3. Vincent Lehmann

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    Hi everyone,

    Perhaps someone has already mentioned it, if so I apologize for asking the same question...

    Does anyone have specifics on 812 GTO/TDF? How limited will it be? When will it be presented? What are the reqs. for an allocation?

    Best regards from Switzerland
     
  4. paulchua

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    I have not heard anything other then the convertible version of the 812 due to be announced next month.
     
  5. 330i

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    Ferr, I think your “6” mention above is the first info you have shared on 2020. Is there any additional info on 2020 you can share with us? Thank you!
     
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    Does it look better or worse than the current portofino, because I think the current one looks very good for a entry ferrari specially with the roof up
     
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    Is the Portofino coupe the newly rumored v6 or "Dino"?
     
  8. paulchua

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    I don't believe so, I think Sep 812/F8 aperta, Nov portofino coupe (v8 turbo)

    The next 458/488/F8 is a V6 turbo (perhaps hybrid) hence F8 tribute to last ICE only V8.
     
  9. gh0st0

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    What market are they playing towards with a turbo v6? With the Ferrari crowd being into the Ferrari experience, I wonder if that will hurt Ferrari at all.
     
  10. PhilNotHill

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    Car dealers right now have large inventories of 2019 models jamming their lots. People are losing their appetite for new cars.

    Luxury car sales are off. Wonder if this will effect Fcar sales with all the new models hitting the market.
     
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    Dealers are not happy with a possible V6 future, puts them in direct competition with several other marks..
     
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    I assume the V6 turbo-hybrid will pack over 700hp, but just my guess.
     
  13. absostone

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    V6! V6! V6!
     
  14. absostone

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    Would be great if they stirred the pot
     
  15. LVP488

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    They already introduced a V8 to top their V12 flagship, so I'm sure they will dare replace the V8 by a V6.
    Porsche has introduced 4-cylinder cars a long time ago, and BMW have replaced their trademark inline 6 by 4-pot engines long ago...
    With direct injection and turbocharging, the benefits of smaller cylinders have been negated and what remains is only the added complexity and weight - that's a pity for the sound, but that's the result of technology developments.
     
  16. Marcel Massini

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    No, it is the result of new stupid Government rules and the idiot people who vote for such people.

    Marcel Massini
     
  17. G. Pepper

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    Ferrari had I4 race cars early on. Does, "The Admiral" ring a bell? I've heard recordings of his car. It is exactly a quarter of a Ferrari V12.

    But time marches on. Just glad I lived when I did. Zero interest in all of the forthcoming electric wonders.

    Cars are exactly like women: If they can't be made to scream, they are a waste of time. :)
     
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  18. LVP488

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    I'd argue that's the case for hybrid and electric vehicles, but not for the number of cylinders.
    With carburettors the engine struggles to pump enough fuel mix, hence the need for smaller cylinders; but with direct injection (turbocharging being the last straw) there is no real need for smaller cylinders in terms of efficiency.
    The 125s had a 12-cylinder for 1500cc because it was the way to obtain high specific power at the time - but such engines have been discontinued decades ago.
     
  19. Marcel Massini

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    The reduction of the numbers of the cylinders is a direct result of new and stupid Government rules. Car manufacturers have no choices anymore, first reduce the number of cylinders, make engines smallers, bring in turbos and all the other nonsense. The end of a proper V12 is near. Do I want a V6 instead of a V8? A 4 instead of a 6 cyl engine? No. No matter how many turbos or hybrid and electrical stuff is in the car. I do not want such a thing.
    Just my 0.2 cents. To each his own, of course. It's (still) a free world, more or less.

    Marcel Massini
     
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    Marcel, I agree with you. Much of the move is due to government regulations. Your point does bring up a interesting question though. Is there a 'sweet spot' for cylinders as it pertains to weight and power output (assuming using all available technology)

    I know Mitsubishi cranked out 440 out of 4 cylinder, Porsche close to 700 with a 6 boxer engine. Both production cars. Is your disgust of smaller cylinders due to sound and turbo lag? Assuming both could be alleviated, would your opinion change?
     
  21. Marcel Massini

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    I absolutely hate turbos. Any turbo has a lag, always, no matter what manufacturers and testers and media tell you. Have driven many.
    I do not like 4 and 6 cyl engines. Especially on a proper sports car. That has to have at least 8 if not 12 cyls.
    Generally, if you drive 8 and 12 cyls every day you do not want to go down. You wanna go up.
    No, my opinion is not going to change. I am very firm and old fashioned on this.
    And yes, sound is very important to me too. Artificial sound (coming from somewhere under the dashboard) is complete bs.
    Again, that's just me, of course.

    Marcel Massini
     
  22. amenasce

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    That's why i like you Marcel. Hate the fake sound. Unfortunately, i dont think anything new will be to our taste...Turbos, 4 cyl, and Electric...Yuck.
     
  23. jpalmito

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    Fortunately Ferrari V12 engines aren't dead yet ..
     
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  24. technom3

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    The funny thing is turbos are just a cheat to pass the tests. Power on demand and very efficient while cruising. But when they are driven hard it's the same as everything else and sometimes worse. That's just not where the testing guidelines are.
     
  25. paulchua

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    Hi Marcel. You and I are kindred spirits in regards to artificial sound and turbo lag. Both are anathema to me. I own both two Ferrari V8s and 1 V12. That said some turbo 4s and 6s are quite powerful and feel much bigger then they are; also, whatever sorcery used has eliminated the turbo lag on some of these engines. Sound-wise, that's another matter.
     

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