The 15 New Models by 2022 - What We Know

There will not be a mid-engine car even with V6 or any other cylinder count sold by the factory for under $250K. There will be no endlessly speculated on 'Dino.' It's not happening. Ferrari executives are already under enormous pressure by institutional shareholders who are hammering the company saying their 8-cylinder line needs to be more profitable and that they need to actually raise prices. And the incredible demand they have and waiting lists for years means they can. The very last thing management is going to do is introduce a cheaper and therefore lower profit mid-engine car. So no, it's not going to happen unfortunately. Not factory new anyway.

 

There is no way to know exactly what the pathway is for every car and for every dealer. And for the very exclusive limited number cars you can expect the pathway to get ever more intense.
For example ... with the Pista coupe the factory sent the dealers lists of certain dealers customers they suggested they offer the car to. With the Pista Spider ... which wasn't even a limited number production car ... the factory sent lists to dealers of exactly which of the dealers customers the dealer was allowed to offer the car to. No latitude. No discretion in the allocation even by the dealer. For a non-limited production car. So that gives you an idea. The best advice I can give you is to simply be the best customer you can ... for the factory as well as the dealer.
Buy factory new cars as many and as often as you can...including some that aren't in incredibly high demand. Like a 12-cylinder GTC4 Lusso for example. And of course buy as many of the non-limited production cars as you can handle and hopefully use. And of course build a great relationship with you salesman as well as the sales manager at your dealership. Attend dealer events and participate as much as you can. Be a high value supporter of the factory, the brand and your dealership. That will put you in the best position possible and give you the best chance you can get. There are no guarantees unless you literally buy and collect 5 cars a year for many years from the factory. There are customers who do that. Those people get whatever car they want. Everyone else ... it's like trying to get into Harvard where there are 20 highly qualified applicants vying for every slot. You really need to be one of the very best customers.

 

Yes in the world of Ferrari limited production number cars it IS nothing. The point I was making was that even if one is technically in the UHNW category AND has purchased say 3 brand new Ferraris in the past 5 years ... one STILL cannot expect to get a limited production number car.
Because that still doesn't make one a top customer of the factory or the dealership. It's THAT selective and THAT competitive. Cheers

 

That comment right there is why Ferrari needs to and will make the F173 faster than a LaFerrari.
And it needs to look and sound incredible. To smash into pieces exactly that kind of perception. And ... they are going to do so quite convincingly I assure you.

 

Yes you are correct about technical definition of UHNW. But is there really that much difference in lifestyle and what they can afford on personal consumption items like cars between someone worth $20mm and someone worth $30mm
We are splitting hairs and missing the larger point. The larger point is that just because you have $20mm or $30mm or $50mm or $200mm doesn’t mean you can walk into a Ferrari dealership and say “I’d like one of those Iconas please.”
Your net worth does not determine your ability to get these cars. It is what you can do for the brand by owning ( celebrity like Gordon Ramsay ) or it is ... are you in the top echelon of customers for the factory and the dealer. As in you have bought DOZENS of brand new cars from the factory. The factory knows who you are. They know your name already. They know you are one of their very best customers. That’s what determines getting an allocation for a limited number car.
They don’t go by how much money you have. They don’t care. There are millions of millionaires. But what have you done for Ferrari in the past 5 or 10 years? That’s what drives allocation of these very special cars.
And of course Marcel ... I know that YOU know this. You are one of the true authorities who contributes to these pages and everyone on here should have the absolute highest respect for you as I do. This post is simply to bring the people who are newer to the Ferrari universe up to speed on how things work. And thank you for all of your very helpful contributions on here. You are one of the greats! Cheers

 

I’m not saying that you HAVE to buy and collect multiple cars a year in order to get a limited number car. I’m just saying that’s the only way that you can DEFINITELY get whatever you want. Everyone else has to just do their best and hope for the best. In other words if you aren’t a global celebrity or multiple car per year buyer ... there is always going to be some uncertainty about which cars you can get and which ones you can’t. And it varies. The 812 is effectively sold out of its anticipated production run even though it’s not limited and it’s not even VS like the Pista. Even though the factory did not dictate who got the car and it was pretty much up to the dealers to dole out from their own allocation as they saw fit... there were just so many orders for the car on the books soon after it started production that it is,
with rare exception, effectively sold out forever at almost every dealership. The new F142M-FL isn’t at that point right now but it will be shortly after launch. Nobody is going to say ‘hey the factory said you don’t have the right buyer profile criteria’ but what is going to happen is that within a couple or few months after showing at Geneva there will be so many customer orders on the books at every dealership that it will be for all intents and purposes ungettable by people who wait to read the first test reviews in Evo or Car and Driver. The 812 convertible even though regular production ... will be EXTREMELY difficult to get because their hasn’t been a convertible V-12 available in ages. So the sheer pent-up demand for that car is going to make them go faster than tickets to Pearl Jam at The House of Blues. The 812 TDF is going to be epic, limited production and pretty much unobtainable generally unless you have like 5 recently factory bought Ferriari’s sitting in your garage right now. With the F173, even though that is technically ‘open enrollment’ regular production car ... the reality is that the first 2+ years of production of that car will be effectively spoken for at launch by indications of interest by the top customers of each dealership.
The point is this ... the roadmap is laid out. You need to figure out what you might want and move early. Start having conversations with your dealer NOW. Tell them which cars you have a very keen interest in way in advance of them coming out.
Ask them what you can do to move up the consideration stack.
Get in there. Buy something.
Order a Portofino. Order a GTC4 Lusso. Get on the factory’s radar. You can’t just show up months after the Top Gear episode and expect to get one of these sought after cars whether regular or limited production. You need to be well established with BOTH your dealer and the factory or you’re going to get effectively shut out of the most desirable sought after cars. Hope this is helpful.

 

Yes you are right. But by the time you are in Corse Clienti you are by then already a meaningful customer of Ferrari.

I’m trying to help newer people understand the lay of the land and help them put themselves in the best position to get some of what they may want in terms of sought after cars.

Members of Corsa Clienti don't need anyone’s advice on navigating car allocation.
Best

 

So let me get this straight ... you are saying the F173 ... a regular open-ended production car which is, when all is said and done, a new platform 488 with some electric motors added on ... you're saying that car is going to have an MSRP of DOUBLE $600k or $1.2-million dollars?

This is the diplomatic version of my response to that ... you are wrong by a mile sir.

 

If you are implying that I’m contradicting myself ... I’m not.
The F173 is both of what I said.
It is the new platform 488 in terms of mechanicals ... mid-engine twin turbo charged V-8 ... plus electric motors now. That’s what it is. If you took the engine from the Pista, and gave it a new generation turbo charger how much power would that make ... say 740 hp? Now add 160 hp from next generation hybrid electric assistance. Isn’t that 900hp?
This car simply by adding hybrid to a Pista it would have better power to weight ratio than LaFerrari. Now imagine a next generation of that. That’s what the F173 is. So yes it’s going to outperform the previous generation hyper car. That doesn’t mean people will pay 7-figures for it.
By your logic a 458 Speciale should have cost $1-million because that car outperformed it’s previous generation hyper car the Enzo Ferrari didn’t it? But a 458 Speciale didn’t MSRP for $1-million ... did it?

In fact a 458 Speciale is only 3.6 seconds off a LaFerrari lap at Fiorano. It doesn’t take much to close that gap. And the 458 is two generations removed from the F173 and it’s not turbo or hybrid assisted. Your logic is this, same performance equals same money. But what you’re missing is the genius of Ferrari...
This is what they do... they make their widely available V-8 cars outperform their precious generation ultimate V-12s and then people say to themselves ‘Wow hyper car performance at a third the price ... and I ... little old me ... can know what it was like to feel the acceleration of that hyper car every day? Sign me up!’ And that’s exactly what is going to happen here. LaFerrari performance obtainable by mere mortals who aren’t named Gordon Ramsay and don’t have his bank account. Yes LaFerrari performance will in fact be obtainable in the next 12 months for $500k and $600k nicely optioned. and you know what?
It’s a beautiful thing.