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Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by Forza Scuderia, Feb 20, 2019.
I see. Thanks for the clarification.
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They may be very conservative this year, with only a Portofino facelift and an SF90 Spider - to "new" models that would have a hard time to make flashing headlines.
And 812 “gto“ ? Isn’t for this year?
Where is the SF90 prototype ？
Posted by @maha on the SF90 Stradale Spider thread; https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/sf-90-stradale-spider-confirmed.617653/#post-147176773
How often has Ferrari done a facelift instead of introducing a new model? Did cali 30 have any visual changes? seems out of line
They also need to update 812SF and Portofino with Euro 6D engines (ie those from 812GTS and Roma) as required for new European registrations
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Depends on your definition of a new model versus a facelift as Ferrari often have changed the name and called it a new model when most other companies would classify it as a facelift and leave the model name as it is. Below I've broken the main production model families since Ferrari moved to the current Fxxx system in the early seventies. Sometimes the evolution through the family has been a series of mild facelifts and relatively minor mechanical changes. Others paricularly in more recent times have involved wholesales changes to mechanicals and the body in white.
F101- 365GT4 2+2, 400, 400i and 412 only featured minor styling changes - effectively light face lift with minor mechanical changes. Also just to confuse, as Ferrari likes to, the 365GTC4 is also an F101 even though it has a different body and a shorter wheelbase.
F102 - 365GT4BB. 512BB and 512BBi all featured minor styling changes as the engine was updated - to me these are face lifts
F106 - 328 is a heavier facelift of the 308 with an enlarged engine
F108 - Mondial significant facelift when it was upgraded from the QV to 3.2 and then a mild facelift but major chassis changes when upgraded to the Mondial T
F110 - 512TR and F512M were effectively facelifts of the Testarossa (albeit with some significant chassis modifications). Early 512TR's carried the Testarossa name on the rear deck
F116 - 456 was lightly facelifted to 456M
F119 - 348 was updated to 355 combination of body and engine changes, biggest change so far and enough for it to be clearly seen as a new model and not just a facelift
F131 - 360 platform became 430 with signficant body and engine changes similar level of evolution as 348-355
F133 - 575 was effectively a mild facelift of the 550 with only the front and headlights updated externally and a capacity increase
F137 - 612 only went through one evolution before moving to a new platform
F141 - 599 only went through one evolution before moving to a new platform
F142 - 458 very heavy update to 488 but internal designation F142M More than a facelift not quite an all new model. The F8 Tributo is more of heavy 488 facelift than an outright new model
F149 Ferrari California, reasonably heavy facelift and new engine to become California T
F151 FF significant body in white changes to become GTC4Lusso F151M
F152 F12 had significant body in while changes to become the 812 with designation F152M
F164 Portofino we will see if updated car retains the Portofino name perhaps with T or M appended to name
F169 Roma separate internal designation to Portofino despite shared platform and engine.
EU 812SF deliveries are currently using GPF motor
Ferrari says 2 releases this year.
Lol I am aware of this info, but I appreciate the depth of response. guess I should have been more clear, new model name = new model. I don't agree with it, but 456 to 456M would be considered new model according to ferrari, so what I am asking is will there be a new name given to portofino 'facelift'
The funny thing about those types of spy shots, is they are literally at the factory gates, Ferrari wants you to see what they are doing, amounts to free advertisement
If they wanted to be clandestine, they would ship it out in a container to some random place for testing
Portofino M now trademarked.
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Nice, so a 'new' model like 456M, 575M
Bit worried to read about an impending Portofino update as I ordered one mid Jan and of course has not been delivered yet. Will I be the dumbo to get the last non-M version . Of course I liked the car on the test drives (choose it above a DB11) but wish the digital speedometer was in the rev counter (like in the Roma) and did not need it's own screen
Discussed here since Dec 5 if not earlier as a 2020 launch
thank you thank you.
So SF90 Aperta & Porto M = "2 releases this year"
whatcha guys think?
Not, not at all. Sometimes a predecessor model is actually preferred by some.
512TR vs 512M
F355 vs 360
Even the 456 vs 456M has many that feel the original looks better.
Enjoy your car, and when the Porto replacement comes out - ask yourself honestly if you like it better, I'm sure you can always trade up on favorable terms with your dealer if it really bugs you.
Is that real that the Purosangue will have 2 door only ?
It's a non-sense an SUV/FUV of that size that competes the Lamborghini Urus should also comes 4 door for a the best access to the rear seats and a decent luggage space.
I thought about a Mazda RX-8-like little suicide rear doors that opens a the access to the rear seats and keeping an 2-door-like design at the same time.
Ferrari did mention that this Fuv will differ greatly from the competition. We could just see a layout similar to the gtc4lussi and the FF with higher ground clearance. Hopefully a v12 is offered.
This is a very cool synopsis - nice to see it laid out like this.
I just hope they don't screw this up because the GTC4Lusso has still giant doors but tiny rear seats.
As for the engine the best option for that kind of car would be a V8 twin-turbo for the best torque and fuel consumption, just like all the competition did (Aston Martin DBX, Audi RS Q8, BMW X6 M, Lamborghini Urus, Mercedes AMG GLE 63, Porsche Cayenne Turbo etc...)
But I saw this on an italian media : "Se dal punto di vista tecnico alcune specifiche sono già note quanto plausibili, come l'adozione di un V12 da almeno 800 cavalli e la trazione integrale 4RM"
So it will be basically a higher GTC4Lusso 2 door, NA V12 ?
I agree with you for daily usage and the fuel economy a ttv8 will be the better choice. However the v12 Ferrari offers will give it a characteristic that cannot be matched. It is a Ferrari engine being offered in a Ferrari FUV. I believe Ferrari has learned their lesson from the gtc4lusso and FF. They mention that they are facing challenges with the Fuv hence why it has been delayed. I am pretty sure it will be the SUV to get if it looks anything like the article which it should considering they stated its design will be inspired by the Roma. Expect to see the v6 plugin hybrid setup from LB and possibly a v12 with large Carbon fiber rims as an option with a 190mph or 200mph top speed. It will be epic... Hence the wait.