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  1. ElvisNasty

    ElvisNasty Formula 3

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    I've been pretty lucky in my experience. The car was already very good when I got it, and the 2 people I've had work on it fit all the things in your list.

    Bobileff's shop does my major work. After 2 years of driving, I decided to get heim joints, alignment, engine out, clutch, trans seals changed, and syncros. Some small mistakes were made and some bugs were not worked out, but overall I'd give it an 8 out of 10. These cars are so hard to work on, that I think this shop does the best job that can be done, considering they don't have permanent access to your car.

    The other guy works on my car right in my own garage. His work is outstanding. He fixes electrical bugs, does body work, fixes leaks, tunes the car, and does pretty much any job that doesn't require a massive shop (like an engine out).

    The key I think is that he has endless patience and passion for the car. He takes pride in his work and will not stop until the job is flawless. Since he checks on the car all the time, he always knows what's going on, and keeps certain things under observation.

    He has access to the car anytime and a set of keys, so he just works on it pro-actively, slowly improving things before issues arise. As a result, I feel my car is much improved from when I got it, and I've been able to do a lot of driving. I haven't gone more than a week or 2 without driving my car since the engine out, how many countach owners can say that?

    If you're just bringing your car to a shop and hoping for the best, that is rough. Many jobs can take 2 tries to be fixed. Fix it once, test it, then try again. This is pretty normal for many automotive jobs. Auto shops dont do a good job of testing. They just try to get it out the door. A countach needs to be tested a lot to be sure the job is right. I test the car myself after every job and then we talk to figure out what's happening after the drive.

    We also touch base with Chad Bolles sometimes to get input when things are confusing.
     
  2. Albert-LP

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    thank you all. I'm glad to hear others had similar problems and needed two or three attempts to fix a problem. I agree with Elvisnasty: shops have your car just for a little time, often you know better than them how the car works and you have to help them to find out what the problem is. And then you test the car for a longer time so you can judge in a better way if the car has been 100% fixed or not. That's the standard with a very old and complicated car. But if you are a Lambo expert and you do not know how a cooling system works, you do not know basic phisic and mechanic laws, you say "the problem cannot be there as in 40 years we did not have any problem coming from that piece" and you do not have time to check the car properly, means you will loose your customer very soon even if your customer well knows that everyone can do errors while doing a complicated work.

    I had a a problem with the hydraulic clutch (master and/or slave cylnder, who knows what of the two), so the clutch did not work well. The mechanic said "impossible, the clutch perfectly works". So, impossible or not, i purchased the two new pieces at Lamborghini spare part service and i asked him "please install these pieces on my car". I never had a clutch problem anymore...


    ciao
     
  3. wbaeumer

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    In 2000 I had a severe problem with the engine in my LP 400.
    My friend and well known race mechanic Steve Hart from the UK offered his help and made a complete overhaul of the engine.
    Great to see my car in his workshop next to a Ferrari 250GTO, 250LM, Maserati 300S, Maserati Birdcage etc.! He also sorted the connecting rod problem by using parts for the Ferrari Daytona Competitione which fit exactly.
    Steve is also a very good driver and so tested the fresh engine on streets (and also on the dyno!).
    The result of his work was FANTASTIC!

    He drove the car himself from his workshop to my house in Germany, and arrived late at night: "I am so glad this is not my car - I would be constantly too fast....!"

    After he checked in the hotel I took the car out by myself on the Autobahn at about 3:00 am without any traffic. The car ran like hell with all temperatures stable as a rock.
    Little later I drove another LP400 that had got an engine overhaul in Italy. But the result was not very impressive compared to my car......
     
  4. Albert-LP

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    #29 Albert-LP, Jul 24, 2013
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    Thanks, Walter: very interesting post. I saw there is a big difference between two cars just restored, too. They both works, but one runs by far better than the other and the difference is often made by small things not very expensive: they show how much good your mechanic is.

    And then may i ask you what do you mean with the "connecting rod" problem? do you mean suspension joints?

    ciao
     
  5. wbaeumer

    wbaeumer F1 Veteran
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    (perhaps a language problem from my side :)) - no, I meant the bolts of the connecting rods to the crank are too weak and made of good quality by Lamborghinifor their LP400s.
     
  6. staatsof

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    God these cars can be such fun ...

    Oh it's pretty much the same with anything you serviced these days. Things being terribly more complex doesn't help either.

    I just hate having my cars (or anything else) serviced by anyone because mostly it never gets done correctly. You sound exactly like me. You want things set as best as possible. That takes commitment and it's not inexpensive. Getting that sort of commitment is easiest when you are doing the work yourself.

    But on some things you have no choice. I try and get involved in how the repair is being executed which I know they hate but if done respectfully and if you have the right service person it can work just fine. If you can't establish that sort of relationship then just walk. Much better for everyone involved.

    I remember the fuel tank stuff. Glad you finally got it sorted.

    After all that your bank account must be deeply wounded.

    My friends all have similar stories with bills that would choke a horse, ah er, bull in this case.

     
  7. ilconservatore

    ilconservatore F1 Veteran

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    Agreed...there's a strange lack of competence across the board, for lack of a better term.
    Maybe its a decline in critical thinking skills (diagnostics), distractions due to workload, budget constraints...Its certainly not limited to exotic car repair.
     
  8. Albert-LP

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    Ok, now i understand: thank you very much.

    ciao
     
  9. Albert-LP

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    Thank you Bob, you understood very well my point of view. At a certain point i stopped the work of the "Lambo experts" and took the car to independent mechanics with just a "do that" work. Otherwise the car restore would have costed like a LP400 Periscopica... Now i know the car, i know where to find the various specialist of each single group (carburators, brakes, electric plant, radiators, suspensions, bodyshop, interiors, instruments, tyres, transmission and so on) and where to find unfindable spare parts so i do not need anymore very often a "Lambo expert". I'm not good at manual work, but i can understand what the car needs and i take my car to a shop that is 200 yard from my home and i check the work in progress four or five times a day... i have the command and they do the work i ask: that's fantastic, cheap, very effective and i have fun. I wasted some money but now nomore.

    Now i have to study how to solve the wiper issue, another big deal... :)

    ciao
     
  10. F40 LeMans

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    I took my car today after a check to Giancarlo. He is a great guy and he did a great job on my Countach! Thanks and recommended.
     
  11. Albert-LP

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    Sure he has a lot of numbers and he knows when he can say "now the car works well".


    ciao
     
  12. Jet-X

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    Surprised Claudio Zampolli's name hasn't been mentioned. Of course he's in California which doesn't help if you don't live here.
     
  13. 123quackers

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    Alberto, I know one man who has many years man and boy working with Lamborghini Countach.

    I need ask him if he interested to work on your car.
    I do not wish to discuss on forum, so will PM if that's OK?

    Ciao

    Daniel
     
  14. Albert-LP

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    my personal (friendly) review on my actual Lambo specialist:

    name: Giancarlo
    surname: Breveglieri
    Gender: M
    shop: Lamborghini Service Crevalcore
    where: Crevalcore (BO), Italy. Four miles from Lamborghini factory.
    Age: unknown, about 55-60.


    special features:

    -cannot survive without a cigarette
    -white long hairs
    -looks a bit like Flavio Briatore (he is the cheap version of the OEM).
    -talks a lot



    point of strengths:

    -a lot!



    point of weaknesses

    -a bit less than the strenghts!



    Rating: 80/100

    :)

    ciao
     
  15. Jota 5084

    Jota 5084 Formula 3

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    And that means it's full of beautiful women around his workshop? :)
     
  16. Albert-LP

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    no, unfortunately :)
     
  17. Albert-LP

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    Thank you very much, Daniel, but i do not need another mechanic now. For big problems i have Breveglieri that is not bad at all: i hope do not have big problems for years.
    For small problems i have various selected specialists or mechanic very close.
    Now i already selected the mechanics and specialists i like and i know who can do what: it costed me a lot to learn this, but it's done.
    But if you want to send me some info, why not.

    ciao
     

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