The Cheeta LIVES!!

I dis-agree with you of course...bnut as you always are first to point out..

Back on topic please...

So just for sh**ts and Grinns...to have you on record...seems hard to get you to be specific..

What DOES the Cheetah Prototype vehcile mean to you in relation to Lamborghini History??

 

I undestand..and from my first hand viewing of them..as well as the orginal builders viewing of them..and comments and reciepts of purchase for them...not to mention where and how and why would Teledyne re-use, locate and secure 10plus old ones to replicate a MILITARY black out vehicle...I am 99.99999% convinced yes they are from and are currenl;ty affixed to the one and only Geneva Cheetah vehicle...cant be 100% as I have not been with the tail lights from the show till now...anything is possible..

 

I, am as sure many of you are getting ready for Superbowl..so a few notes and I will have to leave here for a while to get to my SB Party..

This intresting find and restoration project reminds me on many other "questioned" projects of late..some may recall the JFK president Navy AMBULANCE recenlty auctioned at Barett Jackson..some said yes, some said no..lots of documetation...some said faked etc etc

same with a recent TUCKER vehicle sold...asaid to be a barn find...on and on as in this case..

same as with the recent discovery of a 1 of 1 early Shelby Cobra car...the Jay Leno New York barn find of his current tangled in legal fight car...

There are so many examples that can be related to this example as well...and as with all others...it will ONLY matter and be of importance to the person that has it at the time...or the person that in the future has it...becuase this vehicle,as with so many other examples...will never be 100% accepted by all...

I can tell you the current owners of the JFK car, the Tucker, the Cobra..etc etc are all very happy with what they have..as am I..it is that simple..

 

I, as you, have nothing to prove to anyone here...let alone the "Public"...just as you always sate.."for reasons of the buyer and seller"..."I can not disclose any further information"..so if it is good for youto answer that way..so it is for me...this thread was not started to get your approval..it was started JUST AS YOR 89 Anniversary thread..as a info for people to see and talk and respond to, I see no difference in a thread like this then the multiple "info" tkae it for what it is threads and comments you make...you have nothing to prove to me or the Public..and the same goes for me..
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What you do HAVE an obligation to IMO..is your brandingof the CHEETAH, regrdless if it is this one or not...as to NO VALUE to Lamborghini History...again if you feel this fine...but it begs the question..why would you have even wasted your time following up on it...what if it all panned ut to be correct...would your song to its History value change?


So posting by me of anything..means NOTHING what so ever to you, as it has no value to you..regardless of what I have in the way of evidence..same as you have NO INTREST in a young single woman, your married...so WHY keep asking for pictures and details...it is as you have over and over stated..MEANS nothing TO YOU...SO WHY DO YOU CARE..?

Maybe it is YOU, that once and for all needs to provide your response to the PUBLIC>???

SO AGAIN............

"What DOES the Cheetah Prototype vehcile mean to you in relation to Lamborghini History??"


PS..A side note, regardless of what you want to say or think, I am told by the parties involved with this, back when you and I where involved with the seller of the vehicle...that your offers of purchase were below market value and the method of payment was not acceptable..for what it's worth...

 

Excellent question..and as told to me by the orginal builder this Friday..this is the possible answer..

Lamborghini had in place with MTI an agreement NOT to let the vehicle be test driven without MTI present as it called for certain driving operations, etc etc..it was NOT to leave Europe for Arab area testing, it never did. It did however carry the Swiss plates as eluded to from a then finance provider...who did drive it routinely back and forth from the shows and the factory..more then once while lets say not in the most sober state of mind...as relayed to me..in one of his free wheel driving of the vehicle in the area of the Factory..he caused some dame to the underside as well as to the side doors..of course this is more and it will be presented in the Video...along with supporting statements from someone we ALL KNOW and trust that was employeed by the Factory at the time of this incident and some quite funny other ones..

 

You are correct that it did not come out of Italy the money for the project..as we all know it was illegal back in those times for assests to leave Italy..you may recall Sophia Loreen being jailed in this same time period for moving funds and assests out of the country...as the evidnce will show..the funds were routed via a Swiss Bank account..so as to by-pass the Italian laws of the day...you may recall that the Italian goverment "subsidesed" factorys and workers...even with no work being done and nothing be produceded...so the money the Goverment gave for thse companies..had to go to Italian ventures..a lot of behind sceens things were done to get around this..and as evident Rene' was far from an honest person...we can dig up his involment in the MULTIPLE VIN productions in the day of cars truly not built, in order to obatian further funding from the Italian goverment for "so called" items produced that were never produce...

I have attached two scanned items here..I see no harm in doing so of the multiple records I have


1) It is an invoice to Lamborghini for insurance on the Cheetah...you will note the vehicle number as well as the note (two late charges) WOW another shocker...Lamborghini not paying their bills on time...

2) is the last page of the original 19 page contract, signed by all involved, to produce the Cheetah for Lamborghini via MTI...clearly stating the intial downpayment paid for BY LAMBORGHINI and further line of credit for the project in Lamborghini's name

I guess this alone shows the MONEY did come from Lamborghini direct...
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and they were answered...maybe you missed that

here it is again


Originally Posted by P300V8
Oh dear more of the same ....let's try again....Yes/No answers would be appreciated!!

1/ Did Teledyne start building "three more prototypes"?
YES, BUTNOT OF THIS DESIGN..THEY WERE DOING A AMBULANCE, TROOP CARRIER AND MISSLE LAUNCHER FAST ASSUALT VEHICLE...BASED ON THE PLATFORM OF THE CHEETAH BUT WITH DIFFERNT COSMETICS..

2/ Is the car you are restoring the "dark painted Cheetah prototype" in the pictures?
YES IT IS

3/ Is the car you are restoring the MTI Cheetah or one of the three Teledyne prototypes?
THE MTI ORGINAL CHEETAH AS I AM CONVINCED..THE OTHER 3 LOOSELY BASED UNITS BUILT BY TELEDYNE DID IN FACT GO TO MILITARY FOR TESTING...AND AS I WAS TOLD BY TELEDYNE MANAGEMENT OF THE DAY..THOSE WERE IN FACT DETROYED

4/ Do you have proof?
YES, TO THE POINT OF WRITTEN, PICTURES, DRAWINGS, TESTOMINALYS...ETC ETC OF ALL INVOLVED WITH THIS VEHICLE...TO THE POINT I AM CONVINCED AND AM SUPPORTING THIS THREAD 110% AS WELL AS MY WRITTEN COMMENTS HERE.
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no it is not..it is obvios to the eye they are of differnt angles, distance, etc etc..

just as if you take a photo fo a persons profile from DEAD on and over a few feet...wont represnt the same image in both...

 

Excellent...on the rear no there where not..and here would not be any as the orginal builder told us the "Cheetah" Badge under the Lamborghini badge was quickly made of Aluminum and stuck on with adheisev as was the Lamborghin script in Black supllied to the in San Jose by Lamborghini prior to shipping out to Geneva..

HOWEVER the front hood...yes it had three holes and was mounted to the hood...it was clear the current hood when it arrived to us last year and had obvious patch work to cover the holes.

The hood was viewed by the orginal builder and compared to his period correct photos...which we had no knolwedge of until he shared them with us this last Friday...when shown to us..due to one of the prong holes off a bit from the badge...it was clear that the hood was that from the Geneva show vehicle...

Of course we do not have the original badge, but in restoration it will have the correct period one applied...

 

Your thoughts..of course you never had any phone calls with them...only e-mails..cause phone calls cant be given up as recorded and proff...only your e-mail chains...so in another words...what ever was said in phone call conversations..NEVER happened..because we all know a transaction like this would ONLY be done via e-mails and never a phone call or a face to face talk..but It really is of no cooncern to me..

and again you turn it around...I have NOTHING to prove to you or the Public here...it is not for sale or being offered for sale....and when the time comes...if and when..then a prospective buyer can view all the documentation they want.....you should be proud of this JOE...I am just doing what you do...not public postings of anything...cars histroy, buyers, sellers, prices, locations, documents..nothing...no need for the Public to know...you have told me and many others this over and over again..unless you want to change and start posting each and every detail you have on cars you "broker"...

and August is not that far off...you can review it all then...

 

please post quotes in their ENTIRETY and not portions to take out of context to fit your thoughts and writings please...