The JFK ambulance is an excellent comparison. If any folks don't know the controversy of that, I encourage reading about it. Another baffleing thing: How on earth can Lambocars have more knowledge than the Lchatter community? Where is their info from and why is it the written rule? How could they have more connection than the connections of Lchatters?
????? Wheel offset has what to do with WB? The body offset is the same in period photo's yet the rear wheel is clearly centered in the rear wheel well. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Then what was you feelings about the sellers lack of papers/authentication? Fustrating? Do you the a simular asessment of the seller as Joe? Just kinda sucks that the buyer has to do the work.
Well, in all fairness..we did do some research from his side, contacts that verified what he said from Teledyne that we were able to track down as well as some verification from the orginal builder prior to closeing the deal..
Keeping it simple How could "Wheel Offset" push the rear wheel forward relative to the rear wheel well opening in the body which in period shots clearly show the rear wheel being in the center of the rear wheel well? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offset_(wheel)
Not a mecahnic..but the measurments are correct...I think the answer is correct that the body is not seated correctly on the frame as I understand it?? Which would make sense, as I stated prior, we know it was bought at auction in parts and then re-assembled...maybe a poor job of doing that..but for sure the wheelbase measures out exact today as compared to the orginal builders specs...
I see that the wheel is close to not only the rear shell but also the lower rocker panel. This tells me that the wheel is too far forward, not that the rear shell needs to move forward. Otherwise, you would see a misalignment between the rear shell and the rocker panel. But they look to be aligned correctly. I also see that the curvature of the rocker panels is different between the Geneva vehicle and current one. Being an intergral member of the frame, I would find it very strange also that someone would cut the entire roll cage off and install it again later. The tubing runs down into the body at the front. You cannot see any signs of it being cut and welded again. It also looks like the side trim that runs along the top of the rocker panels is one piece up to the section where the mirrors are mounted (on the original). The new version is done in separate pieces. The piece where the mirrors should be is also a different shape where it wraps around the frame into the passenger compartment.
If I were you I'd get a real expert with prototype experience to have a very through look at what you have and don't have. I remain troubled by the statement that wheel offset could in anyway cause a wheel to be moved forward in a wheel well. A misaligned body vs a chassis to some extent but not to the extent current photos show especially vs period photos. IMO we're talking at least 6 inches. (As measured by women not men). Others?? "Wheel base is 118 on your Cheetah – (same as diagram below from tech specs) there is nothing wrong with wheel base.. Like I mentioned the wheel offset along with the sheet metal misaligned has made this cheetah look off."
Not for nothing but adding some weight to the back of this vehicle, would account for the change in appearance. what is the weight difference between the two engines used ? There are some many factors it is not funny . Fuel tank full or empty!!! Boys you will be playing with your selves till this very interesting vehicle makes it way to the show ! I for one am just glad someone has the balls and money to take on this piece of history ( if that is what it turns out to be) at the very less it will help us all with keeping interest in the brand.
?? While suspention set up could vary WB slightly I don't see it changing it 6+ inches. Nor do I see weight distribution causing a 6+inch WB shift. I personally don't see this being the same vehicle as the one on the Lambo stand on the day and agree with other posters here that it's not.
I agree that it would be awesome for someone to come up with the Geneva Cheatah. I just don't think this is it. And if it turns out to be one of the later Teledyne units, then I really see no real value in it regarding Lamborghini history.
This would have zero to do with how the shocks are mounted. It would only have to do with the pivot points of the rear suspension which would determine the amount of arc the axle would travel through as it was compressed. If it is an A-frame suspension as I suspect, you should see very little to no lateral movement during the vertical travel of the suspension. The shocks only determine the damping rate of the suspension.
I hope you know that you are talking to someone (refering to Jim not me) that has built a racecar that has competed successfully on the world stage. You should probably do your homework about the people you are dealing with before acting like they do not know what they are talking about.
First off...in person..it is no where near 6+ inches.. second it has been measured this AM several times and the WB is THE EXACT as it should be per the specs..I will go with my Builder and the orginal builder that a lot here is do to with body panel installations..wrong wheels looking wrong as well and a side sill still to be installed that changes the "appearance" as well.. But I do appreciate all the comments and suggegstions as it allows me to make sure we cover all or checks and balances.. We will just have to see when it is completely done with it's restoration...not just as it sits with body panels loose sitting on it and wrong wheels etc etc..it is the correct WB and that works for me at this point till it is completed correctly.. Roy
I have no idea what your point is. You said that the lateral movement of the axle has to do with how the shocks are mounted. I am saying that no matter what type of suspension is used, this would never be the case. This is not guessing. This is being an automotive engineer and understanding how suspension systems work. Show me one example where the shock angle determines the lateral movement of the axle.
No way to till 100% for sure...as each panel does NOT have any stampings to prove this...however the Hood for sure as well as other numerous parts that we CAN verify.. As stated, it was sold in pieces..so yes, very possible that "some" of the body pieces are from one of the other 3 proto types that Teledyne was in the mist of re-producing...either way...orginal or re-produced...came from the same Father and Mother so to speak....IMO
It took a while for numerous parties to be convinced Is the JFK ambulance up for auction at Barrett-Jackson a fake? Eventually, the penny dropped JFK Ambulance is a Fake - Forbes And finally what was expected to bring millions brought $132k http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/23/autos/jfk_ambulance_sale/index.htm
