The Cost of a New Cirrus Just Tripled!

it bet its good old pilot error. I dont think that the FAA would allow Cirrus to produce an AC that has a tendency for catastrophic flight control failure. Sounds like the Family is just BS'ing.

 

I think this one may do them in.

One thing people have to remember is the test of time. In comparison to Cessna, Cirrus has not been around for that long. So the test of time will ultimately determine the outcome of this.

I remember when my flight school got ckecked by the faa. Everything was ok but we went back a few years and found an ED overun by .1 hours We thought we were ok with the 10 hours allowed to get back to the home base but not on an AD as soon as an AD Goes over the plane is unairworthy.

The FAA inpector stated the most people think the FAA is the bully here. he stated we would just ground your plane until you fix it. The insurance companies and the lawyers are the ones you have to worry about. If you are flying an unairworthy plane and something happens. The insurance company is going to give you the bird and the lawyers are going to ream you.

When I was at the initial DPE seminare in Oak City a few years back the Cirus guys were there. They were running into problems with the High teck systems and the examiners. I think you are going to see some drastic changes in the industry regarding this aircraft, instructors and examiners.

Personally I have looked at the aircraft and think it is pretty nice :FOR A HIGH TIME EXPERIENCED PILOT:

I do not think that Private Pilots should be trained in them I don't even think that instrument students should be trained in them. Flying can be very deadly as this is a perfect example. I personally think there should be a special type rating for this plane that only an ATP could qualify for.

People should be trained in the most basic aircraft you can find Like a cessna 140. instrument training should be done in an oldschool dual VOR and ADF. or as close to that as possible. If you are taught to fly with nothing then when you loose everything and have nothing you are right at home.

When people are trained with everything and loose everything they have nothing to fall back on. Just because navigation is getting real high tech doesn't mean actually flying is. You need to learn to fly before you should get into something like this.

Learning to fly means you get out there after your private and scare your self a bunch of times. Once you know how to fly then you move on. You need to navigate with a compas and a watch. Do your instrument training with a compas and a watch.

All this high tech stuff is great but if you are not carefull it will distract you from your number one job >>>> FLY THE AIRPLANE

I have an old buddy I went to flight school with and met up with him a few years back. He is now a captain for a big carrier. He said one day he lost his FMGS ( flight management guidence system ) Like what the cirrus has
He said his young copilot almost had a heart attack. my friend said he just pulled his map out and told the young copilot not to worry he was taught the old school way.

This makes me think of another story I have. This was back when the GPS just came out. I had a student who just baought the latest and greatest garmen to mount on the control wheel. We were scheduled to do out night cross country. Unlike a lot of instructors, I like to take my students on the darkest night cross country that is safe. Not following highway or something.

This student insisted on bringing his new devise at first I told him no but then just smiled and said OK.

We got out into the darknes on the west side of phoenix. He started telling me about all the great things this would do. I just sat there and let him play. After a little while my plan had worked, the students head was down looking at the greatest aviation device known to man. Little did the student know that had slowely let the aircraft start turning to the right and eventually almost ended upside down diving to the ground. I finally told him to look up the student responded with a great HOLY______. I think he got my point.

Learn to fly before you get into something like this. I have my ideas of what happened but we will wait to see what the FAA says. It will probably take them another year.

This may determine the fate of them. Anytime anything happens with an airplane it is not good for our industry

airfreddy

 

People should be trained in the most basic aircraft you can find Like a cessna 140.

Yes we should all be trained in Cubs, hand propped, and look for flashing lights from control towers for landing instructions.

Thanks
Rudy

 

I don't know if I like handproping. I think it is because I wacked a finger on one of my gas powered airplanes when I was a kid. I haev never handpropped a plane myself. I guess if I get stuck I would do it.

I also was doing a compression test on one of my planes about 10 years ago and the prop got away from me. The mechanic who was working with me said " that will only happen once"!!!

I have been handpropped many times though It is good for a student to know that you can do it so you can get home instead of sit out in the desert somewhere. I have even seen a mechanic handprop a 421

Oh that brings me to another story. I had just bought my 152 aerobat back 8 years ago or so. I got a phone call from a buddy and he said have you looked at the NTSB report on your airplane. I said no and then looked it up.

I won't tell you, I think it will have a better affect if you guys read it

Go here
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp#query_start

set the date from 1994 to the present
The aircraft # is N4892A

Be careful out there guys

airfreddy

 

It is a similar argument as to spin training

No it's not even close . . . . .

Hand Propping . . . .You're on the ground, and can just walk away.

Spin recovery . . . . Your in the air. The option to not deal with the problem and walk away is not there.


I will get spin training, and have fun doing it. I am willing to bet that I will never ever hand prop an air plane, not even my little models with OS .46's

 

Oh that brings me to another story. I had just bought my 152 aerobat back 8 years ago or so. I got a phone call from a buddy and he said have you looked at the NTSB report on your airplane. I said no and then looked it up.


Isn't that something you want to do BEFORE you pay for your new plane

 

Now that I look at It I should get the procedures for handpropping. The mechanic that used to do my work was an old AG pilot so he always handpropped my planes if I had a dead battery no problem. you are right I should learn to do it right I will

As far as spin training I spin train all of my students and this is the story why

http://professionalflightinstruction.blogspot.com/2006/02/flight-training-to-spin-or-not-to-spin.html

That was the purpose of the aerobat. Actually up until the time I shut down my flight school I would do two basic aerobatic lessons with ALL Students if we weren't over weight.

As far as the NTSB report there was never a crash so there were no 337's or anything so the plane had no crash history. It was documented in the aircraft logs as a prop strike so didn't think anything about it.

airfreddy