The current era of F1 should be the fastest

We can equip the cars with tires that would last an entire season.
Doesn't mean that we should.

Teams should have the option of running what they believe to be the fastest race. If that means no stops, fine. If there's an advantage to soft compounds that require a stop that's fine too.

The one thing that we should have learned is that proscribing team options doesn't make for better racing.

 

Tyres used to last an entire GP in the past, and the spectacle didn't suffer from it.
Even in endurance, it wasn't uncommon to see some tyres lasting a 24-hour race!
Because people, teams and tyre manudfacturers knew that reliability was the clue, and that pit stops in the middle of a GP was costing time.

Now, years later, they would us to believe that tyre change are necessary as part of the race, and that it is progress. Complete and utter BS and manipulation.

They (Ecclestone, FIA) have introduced many artificial rules and constraints to tamper with what was before a very good sport. Now, it's completely artificial, with teenagers jockeys coached from the pits and having to go through the hoops to drive as per the FIA scenario.

 

Great.
But you're not answering my comments.

Tire changes aren't necessary but should be allowed if they yield a strategic edge.
Banning them is just as arbitrary as mandating them.

 

I just don't see what tyre strategy bring to a race, no more than fuel strategy.
GP are sprints; in a sprint, there is no strategy, you race flat out from the start to the finish.

If some clever git thinks he can use two sets of more performing tyres to beat the opposition, he should be penalised by a minimum time in the pits.

Refuelling is not allowed anymore, so we could easily also ban scheduled tyre changes.
A car should be able to cover the race with one tank of fuel and one set of tyres.

As for saving tyres during qualifs for the race, this is absolute bonkers as far as I am concerned; utter madness.

Who comes up with these silly rules!!

 

If you assume F1 is a flat out sprint your position makes sense.

I see F1 as a team sport involving strategy and tactics. A race over a set distance to be completed in the fastest way possible.

A chacun son gout.

 

Yes, to me, GP are sprints, like GP2, F3, etc...
If I want to see strategy at work, and team work, I go and watch endurance with pit stops, refuellings, drivers changes, etc...

I take much clues from motorcycling which has maintained its purity, compared to F1.
There is no strategy in MotoGP, no outside assistance, no gimmicks to spice up the races.
It's a sprint from start to finish.

In MotoGP, you wouldn't imagine the team monitoring the bike for the rider, nor coaching him about tactics.
He is on his own and gets to see the infos on the pit board once a lap if he is lucky.
No radio, no manager telling him how to ride, no one warning him about mechanical disaster, etc...
That's the way it used to be in F1; why can't it be like that again?

 

oui, cest ca.

As for when in the 60's & 70's tires lasted the whole race - some lasted the whole season, but they did not have the same forces going through them either.

sure you can have a one tire compound for all, last the entire season if you want but that is just as artifical as anything else. the point of F-1 was to be the pinncale of racing - nothing is above it - best cars, best drivers, best tracks.... its not even close on most of those fronts, but if you build them the right way you will get the best. it eats up the un qualified.

 

3 reasons:

1. $$$$$$ - not that much in Moto GP - our best friend workd for Yamaha - she has to go to all the races does all their branding etc... its just not that huge in sponsorship and ad rev.

2. They dont have Bernie

3. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ lack of = purity of racing.

if you want purity of racing VSCC in the Uk is where its at. Goodwood is about as pure as you can get.

 

Or we can bring back the riding mechanic and have tires changed right on the track as they burst. Or have the driver do all his own pit work.

 

For the past several years F1 has been concerned that the cars are TOO FAST!

So they make regs to make them slower. Fuel economy is the latest excuse.

 

The older folk want to go back to the previous F1 engines, which will not solve the problems that F1 has. It was cheaper and quieter to use horses after the car was invented… but that was hardly forward thinking. Going backwards will simply make the sport less relevant and less interesting for sponsors...

The wise words of Mr Saward, in which I tend to agree with..

 

Uhmmm, just wondering, whats the correct way to spell "tire" or "tyre" ?

 

Tyre here, mate

 

Thanks, i saw so many people writing it in diferent ways i started to get confused....

 

Tire is American spelling, and tyre is the correct way to spell it

 

+1

 

Sorda like "learned" vs. "Learnt"

 

Oki doki, my last english class was more than 23 years ago so you tend to forget how to spell a few words, and if you talk mainly with US guys, you're going to catch some "strange" words....i guess it's a bit like if you where in a brazilian forum, portuguese would be somewhat diferent over there....

 

Yet you keep bringing up the past about how tires used to last an entire race. You have a more narrow view of F1... and I don't mean that in a bad way at all. You seem to see it as a driver against driver race to the finish. Most others see it as a comprehensive event where teams and strategy play a big role and should. Two different view which will obviously split opinions.

I'm a huge MotoGP fan. Up until last year... sorda.. the past few years of MotoGP were pretty damn boring... worse than any current F1 race in the yawn factor. The only excitement was the forced tire change (last year I think) and the couple of times they came in to swap bikes for rain or visa versa. By opening up the regs and allowing multiple ways to skin the same cat, we've seen the first truly competitive and decent racing in years. F1 should do the same.

 

The other thing that F-1 should do is make the races longer. they are nowhere close to the 2 hour limit... so you pay all this money to be there as a sponsor, tv etc... and you get an hour and 1/2 at best ... increase the distance or they have to go 2 hours in the dry or no longer than 2 hours in the wet....


Its all about money. its cost money to run the cars - and the teams want to keep the money for themselves... ergo all the crap about cost.... it does not take $500M to build and run 2 F1 cars for one season. but as long as the money is flowing they will use it.

 

Without going as far back as that heroic period, I think F1 should not forget its core values.

It seems to me that too many people at the FIA and among the new generation of fans are too ready to accept all the manipulations and gimmicks introduced by Bernie Ecclestone to spice up the races. Nothing is sacred, and everything seems to be sacrificed to the altar of TV viewing

Most of the changes have been made to satisfy his showman's vision of what a race should be, but completely distort the running and the outcome of the championship. Bernie has turned a serious sport into a circus.

I often make the parallel with other sporting events, which stick to their fundamental rules, to illustrate how F1 has drifted away from its purpose.

What would people say if "rest periods" were introduced in the middle of marathons, so that the public could watch the runners being re-oxygenated, or receive massages with a compulsory change of shoes; would that be acceptable? That should spice up the show, no? That would make good viewing on TV surely.

Maybe I am too much of a purist...

 

You have to bear in mind that GPs have to be short enough to be attractive to TV channels to be watched live.
Most TV channels prefer programmes that fit 2 hours slots.
I think that's the main reason why GP are so short now.
Since FOM and the teams get most of their income from TV rights, they have to satisfy their customers and fit in the commercial world to be marketable.

Also, unless they change the technical rules to allow bigger tanks and durable tyres, longer GPs would mean the reintroduction of fuel stops and more tyre stops too.

 

Life would be boring if everybody agreed on everything !

 

F1 should have NO time limit!!! This is the big leagues. Race until the end.



Mark

 

Do you mean the last car left on the track wins? LOL