The end of Ferrari, as we know it

In complete seriousness, I feel the SF90 is a bit 'uninspired', to be completely frank. So @Gh21631 thoughts echo somewhat with me.
This did give me pause, and I would be a liar if the OP's pontification didn't creep its ugly head with first-hand experience.

But to call it crap or the death of Ferrari? Woah. Only the most arrogant ass-hats* would claim that; sorry if this offends you.


Why wasn't I perturbed then?

Well, simple:

My experience with the LaF was the exact opposite, and I expect my test drive of the 296 will only quiet those doubts even further.

*You know like guys extolling the virtues of incandescent bulbs (surprisingly many agreed by liking it)

 

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I own a Mondial t and a 456M, among many other cars.

My next-door neighbor and friend, Charlie Miles, opened/GMed for Ferrari Silicon Valley (*You know, the dealership previously owned by Pierro Ferrari's son-in-law?) for over 10 years before he left for ISSIMI.

I'll let you figure out the rest.

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Can you put away that ruler now? You can set it down next to that stack of CDs.

 

Stopped in our local dealership Wednesday and they were having a VIP viewing of the 296. Interesting take away.. the service manager mentioned customers are not adjusting to EV/hybrid quite yet, with somewhat limit interest in these new models. Apparently a lot of interest in the Purosangue though here in the frozen tundra, which didn't surprise at all. FWIW, I thought the 296 interior was amazing, but the exterior wasn't any better in person to me from the photos. At very least, big round taillights are quintessential to me. But then I'm just a guy on a 430 budget and not buying a 296 anyway.

 

I personally think macroeconomic conditions are what is going to cause major headwinds. The Purosangue may help keep those lights on above the engineers scribbling away on the 296/SF90 successors.

 

Are you still talking to me? I had thought we shook hands and moved on but sure I'll pony up again, forgive me if your thinly veiled jabs are not intended to include moi

Before you edited your post, I was going to ask if it was Jason because in my direct and personal experience it was Jason Z. who's been the GM of FSV (he's still there) as the son of his dad Art, who Giacomo partnered with to own FSV, before they sold off FSV to Indigo. Jason sold me my 488 directly, while Charlie was just in sales before he moved to Issimi nearby to correct you

Second off, are the glasses you're wearing prescription or just for show because you seem to intent to rattle a nest rather than see with your own two peepers the points I tried to clearly convey apparently. I'm not here to proclaim my Speciale as the best Ferrari of all time, and poopoo on anyone's desires or preferences. Last time I'll say that. As mentioned, if you have a 355, or Scud, or 250 GTO, or hmm let's go with a Mondial and 456M, and you love those cars and don't need any more Ferrari, I would not blame you. I said that before

What this incandescent bulb enthusiast is trying to explain to Helen Keller here is that these days, personally I find Ferrari to be headed in the wrong direction competing with everyone else, doing what everyone else is doing making smaller displacement, higher power, heavier, quieter more complicated hybrids. I've explained why incessantly, but instead you continue to selectively ignore what you feel like, choose the bits that allow you to feel mighty and righteous in your professed love for everything that is Ferrari, and then poke at people who took time to clarify their position...

BTW - SF90, people must love this car. There are no less than 50 for sale on Ferrari's pre-owned site, 73 on AutoTrader. There are more for sale than I can recall of any recent series production supercar from Ferrari, and it's been out for what, a year or 2? I hope and expect the 296 to do better

 

Wait, seriously, you're implying I made this up?

ROFL Talk to Charlie! I welcomed Charlie into the neighborhood with a BBQ for goodness sakes! He was GM before Jason joined. Charlie helped open FSV in 2005, who do you think had to sell the cars?!?

hmm, and here I thought the ruler would be put away by now. Guess it makes total sense why the CD stack is still around too.

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Take a deep breath, it's okay, your car is the best, and Ferrari are all hippies now.

 

@paulchua Agreed, econ certainly isn't helping in the slightest, but it also doesn't seem to be affecting the SUV interest according to them. The pricing doesn't sound like it'll be all that different between the two.

 

I don't know about cooking the brakes, have to take your word for that, but ceramic brakes should easily cope with the weight of the SF90. When all that is said, I agree the tech is only in the infant stage and there is no question that it will improve massively. You wouldn't say the junior number 1 in any sport getting their a.. handed to them by the senior world number 1, has no talent either.

 

What I don't understand is why Ferrari did not make the Purosangue an EV? It already represent almost everything the purists hate, so why not use this opportunity to go full EV?

 

Because NAV12


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I know they had the NA V12 from the GTC4 on the shelfs, but they did not come up with the Purosangue in order to use that engine, so I don't really understand your argument?

Look, the Purosangue is properly going to be the best selling Ferrari of all times if we see the same trend as with the Cayenne and URUS, and being EV or ICE will not change that. So why not just take the bandage off and make it EV as it is a whole new segment?

 

I agree !
The V 12 is a marketing argument, a kind of bait to draw attention to the engine and make people forget about the concept.
Just like the mode of marketing by making believe that it is reserved for top customers...

 

I mean a V12 either has 12 cylinders or not.
No amount of marketing spin can change the cylinder count.

 

My take is time, at the current stage, it would just be a glorified Model X.

 

I would take that any time The X is not pretty ...

 

Ferrari ended with the California. When I first jumped into one and saw the same nav unit as in my wife's caravan..that was it for me..

 

It ends at different times for different people. All good. I admit I get too passionate about Ferrari and my admiration for the company. My love for them still is strong (SUV or not.)

I'm one of those weirdos who love their past, present, and future. I understand I must take a deep breath when folks hate them here.

Though I guess owning their stock, being an F1 fan, being a customer, loving Italy, and spending too much time on a Ferrari enthusiast forum wont help.

 

You bring up a perfect point, which I never addressed.
Some folks hate Ferrari for its current style. That is ABSOLUTELY a fair criticism in my book. I disagree the current cars are ugly, but fair dinkum mate.

I can no more judge that than arguing with someone who says their favorite color is blue.

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That said…I remember when F50s would sit collecting dust on showroom floors because most people called them ugly and terrible.

Clarkson even went as far as saying it's the worst Ferrari in history (even beyond his hatred of the Mondial.)

Years later?

Ferrari conducted its first poll of the best car per decade.

You know what won.

 

Trouble is..Clarkson wasn't wrong. The Mondial 8 was perhaps one of the worst cars ever built. The F50..although very cool on paper...it was not well executed.

People can justify money spent in many different ways. But those 2 cars..are unfortunately exactly as Clarkson described them.

 

I never had a problem with either. Curious, though, if I may be so bold as to ask why you don't like the Mondial 8? (I will admit the US Spec was very underpowered) like the Cali Vet.

 

Well just like the US White House Administration is spinning 2 quarters of downward GDP as a transition to stable growth and not a recession- the petite 12 is indeed a twelve cylinder. Just look at it cross eyed and transition your beliefs and eventually they will even have us all accept(but not believe hopefully) the new electric/turbo/hybrid/hot tube/synthesized fuel cell cars are better than an NAV12 and NAV12 owners are dinosaurs and irresponsible planet killers


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No matter what you drive/ride, they are lobbying against it!

https://www.westernstandard.news/business/wef-save-the-planet-give-up-your-car/article_9a225e54-09c5-11ed-ba08-37b5d3f028c0.html

 

The mondial 8 was a severely underpowered car..to the point of being dangerous. It drove like a cement truck..the electrical issues where abhorrent..and never mind the engine issues Ferrari had with the 2 valve injected cars across the board.

That said...the Mondial cleaned up to be quite a nice car to drive. Not much of a looker..but a really great driving car. Mondial T is a fantastic thing to cruise the highways in.

 

The worlds favorite color is blue:
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BTW did you drive the 296?