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The 'F149' 430 GT California the new 2008 Ferrari

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  1. YellowbirdRS

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    #1 YellowbirdRS, Jan 9, 2008
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    Ferrari is set to unveil a surprise new car early in 2008 – but it will not be the long-rumoured ‘new Dino’.

    According to sources at the company, the new model will be a front-engined coupe with a rear-mounted transaxle gearbox, a two-plus-two cabin layout, a new 450bhp direct injection V8 engine, and a price tag of just over £130,000; in other words, it’ll be a direct rival for the Aston Martin DB9 and Bentley Continental GT.

    The Italian DB9 in detail
    Some sources say the new Ferrari – likely codename F149 – will be unveiled at the Detroit motor show in early January, and may get the iconic ‘California’ name tag when it arrives in the showroom. However, there’s no clear indication on how far away the car is from production.

    A 4.3-litre V8 engine will power the new car, which some sources think will be an updated version of the unit found in the current, mid-engined F430 coupe.

    It’s likely to be fitted with direct fuel injection and be good for around 450bhp; slightly less than the F430 two-seater, which suggests that the new car will have a more relaxed, GT-like character. It’ll also be a more usable prospect than the F430; the occasional rear seats should provide enough room for children and smaller adults, while a generous boot out back will swallow much more baggage than an F430.

    The firm’s F1 sequential paddleshift transmission is tipped to be fitted to the car as standard.

    Scooped: an early prototype
    Hard details about Ferrari’s new coupe are very sketchy even though it is said to be close to being made public. However, spy shots have been snatched in Germany of a front-engine coupe wearing fake ‘F599’ cladding.

    Close examination of the pictures show a car that is notably smaller than an F599, with a rather smaller nose section and a narrower front track.

    Although the central section of the new car looks to be similar to that of the F599, both the front and rear sections look to have been re-worked and re-sized.

    One source suggests that ‘F149’ will actually be built around an updated, more rigid, aluminium spaceframe chassis engineered by Ferrari and Alcoa.

    This could indicate that the prototype caught by Autocar’s spies is actually a very early engineering mule using a new nose section carrying the new-generation direct-injection V8 engine. If so, the new F149 will be noticeably slimmer hipped than the 599.

    A change in model philosophy
    This unexpected move into a new market segment by the Italians is based on sound logic. One insider suggests the line of thinking is that Ferrari has a gaping hole in its line up which would be neatly filled by a lower-priced front-engined GT car.

    Both Ferrari’s existing GT cars – the 599 GTB Fiorano and 612 Scaglietti - are big bruisers powered by large V12 engines. They’re also priced at the top-end of the market, from £172k and £176k.

    Sources have suggested that potential Ferrari buyers are looking for a softer two-plus-two GT that’s an everyday driver, pitched at about the same price as the £130,000 F430.

    Ferrari sees its iconic brand as strong enough to carry off the smaller GT at a higher price point than cars similar in concept, but cheaper, like the Aston Martin DB9, Bentley Continental GT and Porsche 911 Turbo.

    All these models are relatively new to the market, and are selling strongly largely because they are practical everyday supercars more useable, and possibly less intimidating, than the mid-engined F430, the traditional entry point for Ferrari ownership.

    Ferrari particularly has to take heed of the runaway success of Aston Martin. The British car-maker is already selling more cars each year than Ferrari, and the Rapide four-door, due on sale in late 2009, will further widen the sales gap if Maranello doesn’t act soon.

    Those close to the company suggest that this new V8 GT model is the first part of a restructuring programme that will see the firm dumping its four-seater V12 model, currently the 612, and replacing its mid-engined V8 model with a more expensive, but no less economical mid-engined V10.

    But whatever Ferrari’s long term plan, with the global economy looking set to cool markedly over the next couple of years, it would also do well to rely less on its high-end models. There is currently an 18-month waiting list for the 599; in five years time, there may not be such demand for V12-engined exotica.

    In any case, shaving weight back, making its cars smaller and using a smaller displacement engine are the basic principles behind Ferrari’s new engineering direction, which was revealed at its 60th anniversary celebrations earlier this summer.

    The company has promised that the average CO2 output of its cars will be just 250g/km by 2015.

    RAI says that this model is not the so-called 'new Dino', however: it predicts that this 2+2 coupe model, to be the cheapest upcoming Ferrari yet, will follow in 2009, with a 350bhp mid-mounted 3.5-litre V6, and a price tag from around €100,000.

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  2. Modenafan

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    Very cool find. Should be interesting.
     
  3. Houston348

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    so is this the replacement for the 612?
     
  4. amenasce

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    Nop , its an entirely new line
     
  5. RussianM3_dude

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    Sounds stupid. 450hp? That's less then a Benz C63 AMG and barely more then an M3, with USABLE rear seats and less then half the price tag. DB9 is cheaper AND a V12. Maser GT same car AND cheaper.
     
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    Isn't this the article everyone got excited about when it first appeared in September last year ?
     
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    All true...and those are all fine cars, but none of them come with a little pony.
     
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    So when are the first pictures due to appear? If it is planned to be shown in Detroit then I would imagine the official press pictures will show up a few days earlier? What are the dates for the Detroit show?
     
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    Since the article first appeared all those months ago it would seem the launch has been postponed to Paris in the autumn - see the excellent thread in the 599/612 section
     
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    Here here!! So much more tactful than my reply would have been LOL!
     
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    if they show it at detroit, hopefully they will get it over to cavallino. looks like a baby 599.
     
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    Sounds like a rebadged Maser. Great..........




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    Well, hadn't they been saying that since the new "Dino" rumors started that Ferrari was going to use the same chassis as the new Maser [it developed]?
     
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    I don't know. Did they?




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  15. Miura Jota

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    Is it?

    is Maserati still under Ferrari gestion ?
    I thought they had broke up.
    : confused :

    someone care to elaborate and explain ?
     
  16. ryalex

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    Thunk so.

    Here's from Jan 07:
     
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    This information is not new, see in the 599/612 section, but the news about it being displayed at Detroit is... seems ridiculously soon, we were hearing Paris in september, not Detroit in a few days
     
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    Ferraris first and only V8 2+2s were the Mondials; it'll be interesting to see if this rumor comes to fruition as it would be a 15 year revival of V8 2+2s.
     
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    Are you forgetting the 308 GT4, or splitting hairs on the Dino/Ferrari thing? Just curious.

    This will be the first front-engined V8 Ferrari ever built, unless I missed some obscure racer. It is an Italian Camaro! :)
     
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    Very old article. Updated several times. No one knows for sure official name of the project "F149" yet. Estimated launch time not early 2008, but during Paris Auto Show in autumn. First deliveries starting in November 2008. Here is link to the thread dedicated to the "F149", strated by a very reputable F-chat comrade Mike "icemanbops" and regulary updated by both of us. Best.

    http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=177157
     
  21. Fred2

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    Cool,

    Once this car comes out, Maseratis will start appreciating, instead of depreciating.
     
  22. 288enzo

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    The top left picture is actually the 2008 Maserati GranTurismo. Interesting design of the exhaust on the others.
     
  23. James_Woods

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    208/308 GT4?
     
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    Sorry Tillman, you already mentioned the GT4 cars.

    You know what? I would rather have seen a reasonably faithful remake of the Dino, traverse small displacement V6, performance around the 911 level, and styling approaching the original. Don't feel the need for 2+2 for Ferrari in this price range. Don't feel the need for a 4-door car. These things are what the Maserati line is there for.

    I think their troubles with Aston-Martin as a competitor are stemming mainly from the styling issues; it is obviously not on performance (given the Vantage V8 and even the latest Aston 12 cars). But take a look at how pretty they are, compared to the 612 or 599...

    Having said, I somehow wonder about the veracity of this leaked story - it has been denied many times by Luca and others.
     
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    +1 -- we need a lighter, smaller, mid-engined Ferrari. This is supposed to be the almost-a-race-car marque, not the 'what-color-stitching-should-I-order-on-my-luggage' marque.

    I would disagree on one point: as far as styling, the 612 is probably the best-looking car in Ferrari's current lineup. Yes, it's big, but given its girth the design is impressive. The F430 is starting to look dated, and the 599 looks Japanese (the instruments especially). It's time to tap into some of those gorgeous 'New Dino' Photoshops and make something really hot for a change.
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