The F50 on BaT. Current bid at over $3M

I'm guessing it will bring $3,575,000

 

f50 has traded above f40 since 2009

 

did you read my post? lol. there is nothing to eclipse.

 

Love the F50 its my fantasy and becomes evermore elusive and beyond reach as each day passes

 

the f40 will hit $10M first

 

production number adjusted the f40 is at $10M already

 

This simply isn't possible.

As demonstrated by the results last night, the F50 requires a lot less appreciation than an F40 to hit the 8-digit mark. (Granted, the F40 wasn't the sort of example that would achieve a top price anyways, but then again, neither was that particular F50).

The production numbers of the F40 will always hamstring the values to some degree and it simply comes down to the sheer number of them. It's something that's been seen in other rapidly appreciating cars recently (i.e. Carrera GT), where new high watermarks induce more sellers ("if I can get $X, then I'll sell"), bringing more cars to market and and thereby reining in prices.

If for some miracle last night, the prices achieved on the F40 and F50 were reversed, you would wake up to see adverts full of F40s asking $5mm... And I guarantee you wouldn't be able to buy another F50 for <$2mm; the owners would simply keep them.

 

You are simply wrong and it is happening. The f40 is a must have for current and future collections. The f50 is a nice to have. The f40 trades way above parity right now when you adjust for production and over the next 10’yrs it will be the first one to hit 10m

 

Im absolutely biased to the f40 and so is the market. If this want the case the best f40 wld trade at a quarter of what the best f50 costs, and thats just not the case.

 

that would be T.50
https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/gordon-murrays-t50.601476/
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Spot on

I have both (and sold my CGT) and I think your analysis is bang on

 

Two actually good F40s sold for very close to $4m US weeks ago and one had 10k miles. So while there are more F40s total, there are still likely less than half the amounts compared to the number of CGTs in America. Some people here prefer US spec cars, others want Euro cars. They are rare and hard to aquire for those that want to own one.

The F40 is timeless, tiny, Enzos final car which he would likely say is his best, a single mind engineered car, it completed Le Mans and has pretty deep racing history besides, its among the most famous poster cars, the best drivers rave about its driving habits, they are EASY/CHEAPER TO MAINTAIN WHICH IS OFTEN OVERLOOKED UNTIL YOU OWN OTHER SUPERCARS!!!!

And on and on. The F40 is arguably the most important of the Ferrari supercar range and that's not insignificant or lost on those purchasing great examples today rather than spending on F50s. These things don't exclusively have to be about supply. Looks at some of the older Ferraris not catching bids lately and some of those copies can be counted on your fingers. After all, an F40 can pretty much get you into most any Ferrari related event and that also seems to have value historically.

 

My theory is that if you swapped the production numbers around between both cars then the F40 would be trading for more than F50s currently fetch, and F50s would be selling for less than F40s currently go for. Even the layman knows what an F40 is, I very much doubt they would recognise an F50.

With regards Gordon Murray, he recently stated that the F40 had the second best steering he had ever encountered, with the Lotus elan being the best, and he confirmed that includes the F1 in his comparison (just don't asking him about the quality of the welding!). He was far less complimentary about the F50!

Prices for F50s have risen not through sudden recognition of the car, investors are jumping on the low numbers produced as a safe haven for cash at the moment.

 

F40s wld be 4x the price if they made a 1/4 of them. The math is simple.

 

But they didn’t make less of them. That’s the whole point. Adjusting for production is a thought exercise, that’s it. Real world, the results tend to the F50 being significantly more expensive than the F40. Good for those who want an F40, I guess. Not so good for those who want to sell one for more than an F50

 

The fact has been for a decade that F50s traded double F40s. There is no way an F50 would trade at $8m today. That gap has closed is the point ppl make. Tastes change, different things become more important to buyers as the demographic changes. Clearly the F40 is coming into its own in a big way lately.

It would not be crazy to have them go to parity in time. Crazier things have happened with other models and marques.

 

One advantage of the higher F40 production numbers, as demonstrated by this thread, is there are more owners to talk prices up

 

What ppl fail to realize here is this venue represent a very small subset of the owners/buyers of these cars. I am highly doubtful the prices paid for the cars are influenced by comments on FChat. The information on these cars is very easy to source now. You don’t need to be in some obscure forum to learn cars anymore.


And if you look at the first post of the thread it would tell you the opposite story.