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Discussion in '288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari' started by amenasce, Dec 28, 2010.

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    Anyone here know if it takes modification to the f50 gearknob to fit on the f40 and if so what modifications are needed .Any help would be appreciated
     
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    If you are using VIN plates as a reference for curb weight, then this is the difference as noted therein:

    Eu/ROW F50s - 3351 lbs/1520kg (as illustrated below).

    USA F50s - 3440 lbs/1560 kg.

    A difference of @ 11 lbs, approximately the weight of a well-fed cat.

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  9. iohead

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    The weights on the VIN plates don't mean what I think you think they mean.

    The USA plate lists the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) as 3,440 lb. It means that's the maximum the vehicle is rated to weigh with all fluids, accessories, cargo, and passenger(s). In other words, you must not pack any load (be it humans or objects) into the vehicle such that its resultant total weight exceeds the GVWR value.

    Note that the GAWR rating lists two numbers, both of which add up to the GVWR. The "A" stands for axle. In other words, that's the maximum you can load the front and rear axles. (Of course, the car doesn't literally have to have an axle, as in the F50's case, so interpret is as the maximum permitted weight on the front and rear wheels.)

    The European plate says the same thing in a different format.

    These plates do not list the kerb weight of the vehicle, which is what I believe you guys are interested in. And in that regard, the USA car is indeed heavier. The USA and European F50 manuals say the following for the kerb weight:
    • USA: 1,360 kg / 2,998 lb
    • European: 1,320 kg / 2,910 lb
    That's a more sizeable difference of 40 kg / 88 lb.

    These weights are not necessarily real-life, so the only way to ascertain is to actually weigh both versions of the car oneself, which I really ought to do at some point, but it's a chore.
     
  10. joe sackey

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    The stated GVWR on the VIN plates is a difference of 11 lbs between the Eu and USA cars, so it's interesting that the stated curb weight (without fluids, accessories, cargo, and passengers) increases to a difference of 88 lbs between the Eu and USA cars in the owners manual, why doesn't the difference remain a relative constant given that the considered variables are the same?
     
  11. iohead

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    As you can imagine, the USA car is heavier because of the various homologation-related things they had to add. Those things go wherever they need to go: for example, if the doors need extra reinforcements, that's where that additional weight goes. Once all is said and done, the additional weight is distributed within the car based on necessity and not optimality of location.

    Since the suspension and the desired front/rear weight distribution is the same between the two versions, the GAWR values must be recalculated for the USA version taking into account that some weight has been added. You will see that the USA and European GAWR numbers lead to the same front/rear fully laden weight distribution. GVWR then just follows from the GAWR numbers.
     
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    So much does the car weigh on itself, with a full gass tank, all fluids, etc, but without any passengers ?
     
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    @ 12 years ago, Bill S weighed my client's USA F50 with a full tank of gas and it weighed in at 3,137 lbs, he calculated that the car's weight on an empty tank was 2,963 lbs assuming a 27.7 gallon tank and 6.28 lbs per gallon.

    Of interest, the USA F50 is 120 lbs lighter than a USA Enzo and 222 lbs heavier than a 288 GTO.

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    Just a correction on the maths: 3440lbs - 3351lbs = 89lbs (not 11 lbs)

    This is also confirmed when doing the metric weight calculation: 1560kg - 1520kg = 40kg (88lbs)
     
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    Thank you for that, I don't know how I got that wrong, anyway, we can accept that there is @ 88/89 lbs between the USA and Eu F50s.
     
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    Saw an argento f50 with R6II BEC white front plates near Lake como yesterday. Does anyone know if this a true argento ??
     
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