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Discussion in '288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari' started by amenasce, Dec 28, 2010.

  1. Bas

    Bas Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Yes I'm equally confused...I think the original question on instagram (surely) referred to if the body panels where newly laid up? There isn't any honeycomb in the body panels as far as I'm aware..it would be much thicker, correct?

    I do like the blue exposed carbon, but personally would have the original body panels kept as is and make a mold of that (laser scan to avoid damage to the panel if possible). Drive around with the new carbon panels in whichever colour I like and that's it.
     
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  3. PAUL500

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    I doubt pre preg would have been used on the outer panels back then, more than likely vac formed rather than just hand lay up. The chassis will probably have been pre preg though by the early 90s.

    I imagine they used pre preg as it would provide a better skin finish to overlay the clear coat onto.

    Not sure why people are flapping though, easy enough to re paint in the future and no one would be any the wiser anyway.
     
  4. marko.urbac

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    I am in the composites business and, as far as I understood the whole thing, I am afraid they sanded off all the Rosso Corsa paint to the bare carbon beneath, cleaned everything from dust particles etc. and started laminating with fresh prepreg carbon all over the existing body panels.

    I wonder how the old carbon fiber and epoxy resin from the original laminate behaved in the oven/autoclave and if they had to use some kind of glue in between the old laminate and the new layers of prepreg.

    Pagani usually uses a 450 g/m2 6K T300 4x4 TWILL so I suppose we are talking about a similar prepreg, maybe a bit lighter/thinner because of reduced gaps between body panels.

    Of course everything clear-coated in blue at the end. What a shame they haven't left it in its original carbon color, like the famous Enzo or the 360 Challenge Stradale.
     
  5. marko.urbac

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    They confirmed on Instagram 285 g/m2 prepreg, as I suspected.
     
  6. joe sackey

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    I wonder what it will cost to put this F50 back to factory spec?
     
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  8. Prancing 12

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    I like the exposed carbon, but not on an F50.
     
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    how will the value of this f50 be affected
     
  10. Prancing 12

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    IMO, similar value to a comparable car, less the cost to return it to stock.
     
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  11. marko.urbac

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    Basically now it is impossible to bring back the body panels to their original thickness because the old and new 'layers' are laminated together. The only way would be to sand the clear coat again to the bare carbon and repaint everything back to Rosso Corsa but you'd never get the same print-through effect as on the original. You'd maybe see some carbon through the paint, if applied correctly and thin enough, but there is a difference in the weave of the fabric. Now they used a 4x4 TWILL, just like Pagani or Koenigsegg. Ferrari back then used a PLAIN carbon. Even today Ferrari uses a PLAIN carbon for the carbon-look surfaces (inside and outside).

    I really hope the owner has a second F50 which he kept stock.
     
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  13. Marcel Massini

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    This.

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  14. Camlet1

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    I acknowledge the considerable work and cost involved in this project. I also acknowledge the freedom of the owner to choose. But as a very proud owner of an F50 (who is obsessive about its care and originality to the point of madness) I can't think of anything worse.
     
  15. simpen

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    I believe with the described method of curing new layers of carbon fibre on top of the original, there is no possible method of returning to factory spec. It will certainly be valued by the owner and probably stay unique
     
  16. Prancing 12

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    And therefore, prohibitively expensive to return to original condition, so the pool of future buyers will be very limited. I'm sure the current owner is happy with his car, so perhaps he doesn't care at all, but the question I was answering was with regards to effect on value... To put it more simply, another way - negatively.
     
  17. ghost

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    I love Rosso Barchetta on an F50. It's just such an elegant color.

    This specimen in particular, looks to be exceptionally well preserved, especially given the 10,000 kilometers covered.

    Given that it is at Joe Macari, is it for sale? Thanks in advance for any thoughts you may be able to share.
     
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    It was recently sold, according to their Instagram page.

    Video of the car (fitted with a Tubi exhaust system):

     
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  19. MirageJHU

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    Crazy to me the sound they get from just the post cat Tubi

    looks like the car has stock headers/collectors versus the cars with the full tubi straight through..
     
  20. Karimsaid

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    # 107125 a couple of days ago after being reunited with its original exhaust.
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    The complex mechanical sounds that can be heard with the original exhaust are so much more attractive than the exhaust sound of sports exhausts or straight pipes.
     
  21. Rossocorsa1

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    Agreed. Why this obsession that many have with post production exhausts on any Ferrari’s, I’ll never understand, but particularly the super cars, and especially an F50. The stock system is amazing and should be left alone.
     
  22. Karimsaid

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    I would agree about the F50. For long I thought straight pipes were the best and at high revs they are mesmerising. Sports ones have their impact also. But the sheer mechanical anger and growl is totally drowned with the much louder exhaust notes in the last two configurations.
    On the F50, I would go anytime with the sound of cogs and valves vs gases.
    However, good things could be said about a megafono on the GTO or a good sports exhaust on the F40.
     
  23. joe sackey

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    Well-stated Karim.
     
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  25. Marcel Massini

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    103922 sold 17 January 2020 at Gooding's in Scottsdale for US$ 3'222'500.

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