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Discussion in '288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari' started by amenasce, Dec 28, 2010.

  1. Pis7a2020

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    The bloodline evolves over time, if not, it will cease to exist. I appreciate the romanticism associated with the statement, because I absolutely love the brand, it’s heritage, and cars. However, Ferrari has and will continue to evolve, and they will do it by leveraging the past while harnessing technology as a mechanism for advancement. First came the turbos, then the automatic gear boxes, then the hybrids, and one day, perhaps pure electric.


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  3. 275GTB

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    I actually think this is a very important discussion to have for all owners, enthusiast and fans of the marque - I am fascinated to see how the automotive world changes in the next 10 year and how it affects the ownership and running of combustion engine cars.

    I want to hear everyone's opinion as it will set the foundation for ownership of our old cars in future years - F50's very much included. As Rossocorsa1 says this is a big debate and probably warrants its own dedicated thread.

    One thing is for sure there is no "perhaps" when it comes to pure electric or hydrogen cars, it's going to happening and it will be law soon.
    the UK Government has already announced.....
    "The U.K. government wants to end the sale of new diesel and petrol (gasoline) cars by the year 2035, also including hybrid vehicles."
    There is a lot of talk that this date will be brought forward to 2032.

    So we may have one more special Ferrari that has a hybrid engine, then I believe it's the end of the line for the combustion engine, even as the back-up in a hybrid vehicle.

    Now this is just my opinion, when that happens is the end of the bloodline and a new all electric bloodline beings, that is the evolution, the combustion engine is extinct and the new electric/hydrogen world starts it evolution (you know i think that already started with the hybrid LaFerrari, but that's just me ;)).

    I think the "brand" evolves over time, if not, it will cease to exist - i think the bloodline can end and with the imminent extinction of the petrol engine, the dawn is rapidly setting on that particular lineage, then the new animal in town takes over.

    As for modern Ferraris I care very little, the last one the got me excited was the 458 Speciale, the brand is evolving for sure, but the new stuff is not for me anymore :(

    again just an aging petrolheads opinion
     
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  4. joe sackey

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    IMO less than 10 have all 5.
     
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  5. 275GTB

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    And 30 plus have the 4 excluding the LaFerrari, would you say that is a reasonable assumption Joe?


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  6. joe sackey

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    Agreed.

    Mark.

    I'll take the blame for causing this off-topic excursion by opening the door for it when I said "Delivery of F50 104746 which we sold to a Southern California gentleman @ 7 years ago, he still has the car, and we sourced him a 288 GTO and F40 as well" thus bringing up the other cars which then lead to a discussion about the evolution of the Supercar genre. We have to try and stay on-topic or next thing we know some of you will be discussing religion & politics (!) and the thread suffers.

    Let's focus on F50s and I think the thread will remain a valuable resource and interesting venue.
     
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  8. joe sackey

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    No, rather than assume, based on tracking the cars over the years from the perspective of my business, I'd say an educated estimation would be closer to 15.
     
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    great to know thank you
     
  15. FCD

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    #105781 on the road ✌️

     
  16. Gabriel Turner

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    I’ve been intrigued for a while now after seeing the auction result from 2018 but does anyone know anything about #104799??
    The accident and milage but what was she repaired like etc? Serious value for money when it sold even considering what happened


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  17. F Cars

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    Does anyone know why the carbon on driver's side airbox / intake plenum discolors more than the other two pieces (center and passenger side) of the intake? I've seen in on many of the F50s with this occurrence, including mine which is a much less pristine example. The discoloration also seems to be on the top of the intake rather than the underside. I'm guessing its due to light exposure rather than heat but that doesn't explain why the other two pieces aren't affected - but I'm just guessing.
     
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    Very interesting observation, thanks for sharing, perhaps someone has the answer.

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  19. iohead

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    More heat is being dealt with within the driver side of the engine bay: the oil radiator, the pipe from the heat exchanger to the water radiator tank, the oil/water pump, and the AC compressor are all on the left.
     
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    that makes a lot of sense, the oil radiator is cooled by the left hand air intake and fan, and the AC evaporator on the right hand side - the oil radiator has to generate a lot more heat.

    I have an infrared thermometer i will try to take some reading off a car that has been on a run, see what the differences are.

    I would love to get one of those thermal imaging cameras to really see what the effects of the heat are like in different areas of the engine bay, and see how much heat soak moves up to the air intake chambers - this would be a really cool experiment.

    here is an example on a mercedes engine......
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    Hi, Looking to purchase in USA F50 Thank You! 330 493-6000
     
  22. 275GTB

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    Hi Joe, here is a similar part number plate that we looked at earlier, photographed on an F50 for sale at Girardo & Co - this time that part number is for a non-USA spec front bumper, but it also is dated. Also note it is a different manufacturer name "by ATR" whereas the rear engine cover plates we found were manufactured by "Monfrini".

    Could it be the front bumpers were outsourced to ATR and the rear covers to Monfrini - a bit more investigation is needed?

    Also what do you think of the car for sale here, described by the vendor as "Quite simply, this is the best condition F50 in the world!" bold statement for a car with a complete straight through aftermarket exhaust system, with no silencer anywhere. That would not get road registered in the UK as it sits.

    You would have thought after a 250,000 euro restoration they would have cleaned the rust and old paint off the key.

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  23. joe sackey

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    I haven't inspected this car so I can't draw any conclusions, that said, some of the images speak to question their bold claim.
     
  24. Rossocorsa1

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    It's missing both the Emissions Control System Data Label and the V.E.C Label that go on the top of the rear passenger side wheel arch. Some may consider this a minor thing, but it is indicative of the attention to detail that that should be expected of a platinum level restoration.
     
  25. Rifledriver

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    Not a US car.
     
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  26. Rossocorsa1

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    Got it
     
  27. Rifledriver

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    Or at least a statement that the original exhaust comes with the car. A complete exhaust with all its supports and brackets ect for F50 is very difficult to find and when you do it is eye wateringly expensive.
     
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