THE F70 (LaFerrari) Thread

You mean like this? http://www.mercedes-amg.com/slsgt3/

 

Agreed to a point but my issue was as delivered the car was not particularly well suited to any bumpy road, sure with set up I am sure the car could be improved but that to me a grey area, how does one define as delivered? Get in and race or do various set up changes.

In respect of the F70 I think Ferrari in many ways has snubbed the sports car racing rule book, look at the FXX and XX programs, those car could in another time have been raced but today rules simply dont favour a V12, one has to admire Ferrari in a way to sticking true to the V12 engine. I am pretty sure a V8 turbo is being developed and it was considered for the F70 but tradition won out and the emotive characteristics of a V12 were deemed more important to the overall character of the car.

Am good thanks, best wishes.

 

Porsche Carrera GT could be raced as delivered. Everything was over-engineered as the car was designed to compete in Endurance racing. Huge brakes with massive cooling. Three radiators for the engine. Gearbox cooling. It even has the safety restraint anchors already installed in the carbon tub.

 

Race cars can do well on SA roads. I own one that set the SA land Speed record on regular SA roads after finishing 3 OA at SPA.

 

True and I'm sure the 918 and P1 will be able to as well. The issue is owners willing to have a go. If there are enough who would I can make it happen.

We may be heading to your old stomping grounds in 2014 as a factory effort with a venerable brand.

Interesting times.

 

Rolex 24?

 

In 2014 with the merger Grand Am DP's will be an interesting seris and 4 of the DP's will be invited to Le Mans. We're in discussion with a Manufacturer who want to explore our team designing, engineering, building and raciing a DP for them.

 

sounds very exciting Jim

 

I was waiting for this would be awesome to see 0854 or any of her sisters in SA at some stage!

Been in a 430 Challenge on the road in SA, extreme is the best way to describe it but perhaps it would best described as an "event".

Which brings me to another point, these cars are more than a means from getting from A to B, its about the "event", lets use the F40, F50, Enzo and McLaren F1 as reference as I have seen all of those, just standing next to any of them is an event, clambering into a F50 is an event, the car fits like a glove, sitting in an Enzo, the view is totally unique.

Personally I beleive we are fast reaching, an age where outright performance is going to mean less and less and the focus will switch to maintaining the performance level but enhancing the overall experience, driving and otherwise. How the car are geared towards this will depends on each manufacturer and I think we are already starting to see this, neither Ferrari or McLaren are going after the Veyrons "numbers".

 

I absolutely believe we have already reached this point and IMO the Toyota 86 proves it. The experience is everything, not the numbers.

Pete

 

This has been my opinion for some time as well...

It will only take four to five successive year models of manufacturers producing cars that are all identical in performance and that fail to break new ground before journalists and consumers start looking more closely at the things about these cars that make them unique. Those things are already taken into consideration, of course, but that consideration will grow as the performance limits are reached in the next ten years or so.

0-60 in under 3 seconds is really very hard without slicks, and the speeds that most moderate sports cars can operate at on public roads are already unapproachable by most customers.

This is why EVO's COTY test is so cool. The range of automobiles that they incorporate into their lineup is made possible by their ideas on what makes a car important or superior; that is, the comparative experience it gives to the driver.

 

Many people scorn the 86 though as being underpowered. I do not believe that the power wars are over. Look at the F12 for example; some 120 HP more potent than the 599 GTB and with performance numbers out of this world. I believe that the F70 and the P1 will raise the bar even further. The experience is also mighty important but so are numbers it would seem.

 

I will go out on the limb and say in the generation of F70, P1 etc will not be about numbers but more about the experience. How important is it whether you do 230 mph or 260mph, to me zero importance whatsoever.

 

Indeed top speed is getting irrelevant since most owners don't even do 200 mph, let alone 230+. Savage acceleration is always a nice experience though. The latest crop of supercars (F12, Aventador, Huyara) are monsters and much quicker than their predecessors. I see no reason why the new hypercars won't follow suit. One has to bear in mind that they also have to put some air between themselves and their lesser brethren in order to make sense marketing wise.

 

Very well stated, agree 100%.

 

Lets look at this more closely, 0-60 mph, 2.5 seconds in the case of the Veyron, how much faster is its possible to go, 2 seconds, where to from there? Cars likes the F12 are already at the 3.0 second range.

Perhaps the way we measure performance will change, will it be lap times(here comes a debate), 125mph-200mph?

One things for sure its certainly going to be interesting to find out what the future holds but I think my favorite saying holds true here "to understand the present one needs to have a fair understanding of the past"

 

Surely 0-200, 0-300 kph and lap times will take precedence over 0-100 kph. The typical 0-60 mph is dead many years now.

 

Top speed is a non issue currently...

What is needed in todays Hypercar is a 0-200mph monster with limitless power across the range...hitting all the key points along the way 60, 120 & 200... Then Braking from those speeds as fast as possible to zero and then theres cornering as fast as possblie but most important it's a blast to drive you want it to make you heart pound

 

Sub 10s qtr mile is a good target.

 

Is someone here expecting something like this: https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/706063_566377080054430_871957002_o.jpg

 

Very nice rendering, looks like that one off design from a few years ago. But it looks nothing like the profile of the test mule.

 

I don't know, but I think it's arriving

Source: http://supercarteam.com/ferrari-f70-sei-davvero-tu/
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Would Ferrari really have a preview in China before one in its largest market?

 

That looks real. I like it.

 

Who knows if the have done the same in America beforehand.