THE F70 (LaFerrari) Thread

IU was wondering what the deal was with this Sammy guy.

Most of the pics are awesome, but they make the official site (if it is official, I doubt it) appear like a fanpage.

me not likey.

 

Add me to the list of people who would vote that guy off the island. You can certainly be more interactive with your fans via a page like Facebook, but it is no place to let your guard down and be lax with accuracy and/or brand management.

Ferrari's page has over 10 Million Likes - that's a lot of sets of eyes, many more than you'll get through most traditional forms of media.

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There's an interesting article in todays Wall Street Journal about the batteries in The Dreamliner. It seems something in there charging causes thin metallic growth "Dendrites" which can cause short circuits and fires.

Personally I real think anyone buying an F70/P1/918 should install a serious fire system in it.
I'd also practice getting in and out quickly and wouldn't wear polyester clothing. Women with implants may want to wear nomex bras.

I'd also be VERY careful to read the owners manuals and not use the KERS in any way that is not recommended.

I'd also keep mine regularly serviced and make sure that ALL sensors and safety shutoffs are FULLY functioning.

After fueling I'd double check the fitment of the gas cap and if I ever smelled fumes would stop driving and get out.

We're going to dissect our race batteries to see if we're growing Dendrites. Our packaging takes the possibility of a single cell burning without setting the rest on fire buy the Dreamliners were supposed to do that as well and seem not to.

 

good advice
Here's mine:
take that 200kg of battery, motor and electronic junk and stick it in a bin.. get a good electronics engineer to recompile the firmware for the car to work without it.. and enjoy a 1150kg 820hp monster

joking aside, really what did they gain with a kers unit, like a few seconds tops on a race track, even if that... and you get 200kg possibly explosive lump next to your fuel tank... Trust me as an electronics engineer, Li Ion batteries are not to be trifled with... take a look at a few videos of li ion
fires... [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pizFsY0yjss[/ame] these are lap top batteries having a much smaller capacity then KERS units..

 

Our next road car is moving in that direction.

Our next race car is too.

 

Good on you!

 

+1, remember also that maintenance over the following 5 to 10 years will be a nightmare for this kind of batteries/kers, I again confirm that I would prefer a 1150kg/820 hp monster or even a V12 turbo (f1 would be soon "turbo") rather than a dangerous and heavy kers!

 

most of customer would want the kers car, if only one of them had it, the wish to play with a button that gives you extra boost in an 850hp car must be huge.

extra boost on a track can give you an advantage that its obtain very hard with usual stuff.

the weight prooblem its not so big. 100kf its aproximative the weyght of a passager. these car are not competing in F1 to be used 99% of the performance.

 

Rules give or take advantage regardless of being a superior technology. KERS systems have IMO gotten quite good, but are far from a replacement, let alone a justifiable aid. Laws and rules make it unavoidable in any direction.

Still, the new Ferrari project F150/ Porsche 918 / McLaren P1, and any other car that joins the foray are pretty exciting.

 

Way off topic - I was really surprised that Ferrari allows him to access their 10m fans without much stricter supervision and the photos he posts leave a lot to be desired.

At least he posted this one which has to be one of my favourite pictures of a SWB
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People from Lamborghini say that their future cars will not have Hybrid because it's weight too much

 

Lithium deposition and subsequent dendrite growth are the results of a malfunctioning or badly engineered battery management system. In simple terms, if the state of charge of the battery is very low, lithium is settling on the carbon electrode. The lithium fibres grow and eventually break through the separator, causing a shortcut.
Usually this is prevented a) by a proper design and selection of materials (ie, certain cell chemistries like LiTiO prevent lithium plating) and b) a battery management that does its job.

Mercedes etc. are using LiIo batteries too, as well as cell phones, laptops etc... they're all vulnerable to dendrite growth in theory, yet it very rarely happens with major consequences (ie, fire). IMHO Boeing or one of their suppliers simply f***** up, it's not a general problem.

In a production car, it must not be up to the user to care about proper usage of the electrical system, including the battery - that's the car's job!

 

Don't put a fire system in yours, don't check the gas cap, don't exactly follow manufactures instructions, don't rigorously check sensors and systems, wear polyester and sit next to a Bimbo with flammable implants. Darwin won't mind.

That these batteries have grounded the Dreamliner and the problems Tesla is having is something I think is worth thinking about.

The Tesla Model S Is The World's Most Expensive Beta Test

Tesla may be "The World's Most Expensive Beta Test" so far but personally I think it's possible the F70/P1/918 may take that Title away.

 

Ehh...that's debatable.

 

I think Jim has an excellent point about the batteries and risk of fire. However, I'm not sure your typical fire extinguisher system would do much good on a battery shorting out. Interesting question.

 

Some pieces they publish are well thought out and well written. Some of it - specifically because of the dramatic slant they choose to apply - is strictly facepalm material.

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True dat... however you can say the same thing about the National Enquirer. For every John Edward's love child story, there's 20 "Obama meets with space alien" type stories.

Kinda ruins the value of the brand....

But... let's get back to the F70!

 

Race fire systems will give you more time to get out and will help keep the fire from spreading to other things while you do. Battery fires are hard to put out and if one starts the whole car may go but getting out more safely before it does is never a bad thing.

 

Don't give up hope, just be patient. Obviously those that fit the "criteria" get first picks. I'm pretty sure a dealer that wants to make money is not going to turn away a chance for this kind of profit. Just make sure your dealer knows you have cash in hand and I would bet that you will get one. You might have to wait until the end of the production run though.

 

Mr. Jalopnik just made a mess in his pants thinking about the possible upcoming "articles" regarding supercars bursting into flames.

 

I'm not disagreeing with you, actually, I'd go even further - what I wanted to say is that if you have reason to worry about the safety of the batteries of the car or plane or device you're using, don't use it at all. If the product is designed and manufactured properly, there is no reason to worry. Boeings problems are absolutely inexplicable to me, a massive tendency to dendrite growth is something that MUST be caught in tests. It's a giant blunder on their side, not a problem of all the LiIo powered products out in the world.

Generally, you can think of the battery as the equivalent of the fuel tank. If the fire reaches the fuel in the tank, there's hardly anything you can do in a normal car either. It's just that fuel tanks release their energy very quickly (ie, they explode), thus it's obvious there's nothing one can do. It's similar with LiIo batteries, but their 'explosion' takes longer, but usually there's nothing to do but watch it burn either.

In more detail, the fire risk and the measures of avoidance depend on the battery chemistry. There are inheritently safe chemistries like LiFePo, which do not release additional energy upon heating up. Others, like LiCo used in the Dreamliner, literally explode when they get hot (which is what happens after an interal short).

For further reading, this paper has a nice graph (Fig. 7) on the heat release rates, and Dr. Grugeon from the Universite de Picardie held an awesome talk at the 5th International Congress on Lithium Ion Batteries, going into the deepest details of "what happens when the s*** hits the fan"

 

On the heavier car with KERS vs the lighter car without KERS discussion, Amedeo Felisa has stated that KERS is their way for V12 to survive stricter emission regulations. I see this new Enzo as a testbed for the engine of the next gen FF and F12 that will probably have a KERS system to meet emission regulations.
We will have to see how Lamborghini plans to meet emission regulations without KERS on their V12 models...

 

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A couple of times I've been just about to ask around here what was with that Sammy Wasem. Indeed he shares some very nice pics but some others are like... WTF??? Is this the official Facebook Ferrari page???

I guess it actually is the official FB page because updates on F1 results and other announcements like the tricky lighting pics of the F70 seem genuine. But neither I can understand how they let this guy manage that page if that's the case.

 

It's not an emission issue per se it's more how the regulations are worded and how they treat hybrid cars.

Under the current definitions the 918 gets 92 MPG and the F70 "40%" fewer emissions.

This is a reason why TT's will be used more and more.

As Lambo is part of VAG it's less of a problem for them.

 

DoD. There is a lot of research in cooling and lubrication; and there has to be more.