THE F70 (LaFerrari) Thread

Fascinating, thanks for sharing!

 

Would it be road legal, though?

 

I wonder if you can get Ferrari to include some fresh bread with your order?

 

No. One off track toy.

 

Well that would suck.... Too bad.

 

The V12 argument being had is rubbish. If you like the V12 get the V12, if not, don't get it. There's no 'race-bred' advantage to using it. If you're trying to maximize power output per a given weight, turbochargers have long been advantageous.

As for the F1 history, V12's were not the most powerful engines. Twin turbo V6's of the 1986 season were. Up to 1500 bhp in qualifying trim.

 

I would be the biggest fan of turbocharged engines if they will sounds like 7.3 liter from Pagani Zonda, exhaust sound is very important and one of reasons why sport cars are so special, comparing engines from F1 to road cars is misunderstanding, old twin turbo V6 from F1 car sounds very nice, but V8 turbo from P1 sounds crappy , V12 turbo from Huayra also sounds bad
thankfully Ferrari understand that exhaust sound is very important,
Mclaren build brilliant cars but I hope as long as I live there will be no Ferraris which sounds like mp4-12c

 

I'm not sure if you are for or against v12's with this post?

In regards to sound and therryzsx's post, I believe many people are not liking the Mp4-12c or P1's sound because it is a v8 and I don't believe it has a flat plane crank ... but not sure. Thus it sounds like a v8 Mercedes, and I'm no fan of that sound. With a CanAm car all is good but not a supercar.

v6 engines sound wonderful ... just ask anybody with a Dino or v6 Alfa.
Pete

 

True. Easily accompished by a 3500cc NA V12 too though...

 

The MP4-12C is a flat plane crankshaft design.

 

Not sure about that. I believe the 1994 3.5 V12 made closer to 750 bhp in full race trim, compared to about 900 bhp for the 2Bar + 1.5L twin-turbo V6 cars. This is per McLaren's car, which I know had weaker 3.5 V12's, but still.

 

The Ferrari engine was more powerful and given the regulatory freedom, huge power outputs would be feasible. Alas, the powers that be, don' t fancy big powerful engines nowadays. Ecology is the order of the day...


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The Honda v6 from 1988 had about 1200 HP.....but the Renault and BMW from 86 are rumored to had about 1500HP in 86....and the BMW was a straight 4!!!....It´s amazing considering that in 82, both Ferrari and Renault (the only ones who had turbo engines) produced only about 600 HP (still, plenty more than the ford dfv everyone else was using).
The Ferrari flat 12 from the t series was producing about 530 hp in his last year (1980).

 

Thanks - learnt something new today

Learning about the BRM V16 (precurser to the H16) is what got me interested in small displacement, high RPM engines - designed in 1947 it was a 1.5 litre supercharged V16 putting out ~600BHP

Getting back to the thread topic for me it is clear that the correct engine for the F70 is a V12

 

DeSoto is wrong. The FIA only outlawed v12s after Ferrari went to v10 as it is the whole package wins. Less cooling, less weight ... v12s were costing Ferrari the chance of being competitive.
Pete

 

Nope, you´re wrong, as usual.

I read it in a F1 magazine years ago and I didn´t remember the details, but I´m not so lazy as you and bothered to do a quick search: the ban of the V12 engines started in 2001, Ferrari already had been using the V10 for 5 years.

Actually, I found an interesting fact that I didn´t know: Toyota designed a V12 and wanted to race it in 2001. The last minute change in the rules forced them to delay their entry one year (and had to pay a forfeit for not competing in 2001, a very nice move by FIA).

 

McLaren announced some official tech data about P1 and no one posted it here. Weird LOL

 

Indeed, both Ferrari and Toyota were looking into building a V12 again as this is the most powerful format. They both thought that they could solve the weight and complexity issues of the past. The FIA put a stop to all that though as it would have initiated a costly and perhaps dangerous power war.

 

So if a V12 was being considered for a 3.0L engine in the acutely weight and size sensitive F1, it should be more that feasible for an NA 6+ L engine.

 

But if they allowed to put turbos in a F1 back then, they would be using them too.

It´s all just about the regulations of the time.

 

Unless you are an American manufacturer, a 6 litre engine has to be a V12!

 

Little disappointed IMO, was really hoping that the FXX would be an insight into the sound the F70 would dish out.

Too close to the enzo, LFA is still closest to that F1 high pitch.

 

Have you heard the actual sound then?

 

If you haven't seen yet, this is the video I took at Fiorano, I've been lucky enough to see the Enzo and F150 at the same time, the sound is totally different.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQpRtwxTXj0]Ferrari F150 Insane Sound! - YouTube[/ame]

 

Great post as always!