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  1. Olivier NAMECHE

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    3rd picture, on left I recognize Paolo Dallara...
     
  2. Jota 5084

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    The article is written by Tom Brahmer for Fart Magazine, and i think it was written in September 1964. Yes, the man in glasses is Dallara and according to article he had a practise work at the SKF factory in Gothenburg a couple of years earlier, interesting Swedish connection.

    When this article was written Ferruccio had his office at the Tractor factory in Crevalcore. Interesting things is that there was an plan for an Spyder and a racing version of the 350GT in plan at that time, the race version was planed to be an lighter 2 seater version of the 350 called with an engine called 350GTV. This engine would have 6st Weber 38 IDL carburettors, 360HP at 8000/min, this engine was endurance tested at 9500/min.

    There was also an story that Bob Wallace crashed Swedish race driver Jo Bonniers Cevy Corvette, a couple of years earlier.
     
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  4. pc233

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    #229 pc233, Feb 16, 2011
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    Oh, please, you expect us not to laugh, that's just cruel as my schoolboy sense of humour is currently in overdrive ;-) Thanks for sharing some of the back story too.
    I hope to post some more images soon, but we're in the process of immigrating back to New Zealand at the moment, so it'll be a juggling act as more and more of my stuff disappears back into boxes. The good news is that I have the rest of my archive back home that I will have access to in about ten weeks.
    FART, sorry, but I'm going to be chuckling about that one all day now:)
     
  5. Jota 5084

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    Thank you very much, Jota 5084. Awesome pics of the first Gandini proposal for the Cizeta!!
     
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  9. Olivier NAMECHE

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  11. Olivier NAMECHE

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    Ferrucio's years...
     
  12. rolando

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    Ferruccio did not feign interest. He just had to make up his mind. It wasn't all clear to him at that moment what direction to take.
     
  13. 400GT4doors

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    Ok, keep us informed ;.)
     
  14. Olivier NAMECHE

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    I disagree... Ferruccio feigned interest in racing according to Sgarzi and to Stanzani, that I interviewed as well !!!

    Since his own "bad experience", he always knew he will never enter in competition... as Roy wrote in another thread, Ferruccio just wanted to produce the best sport road car by that period, better than Ferrari or Maserati, with no intention to race it... he got his goal, isn't...
     
  15. rolando

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    Dear Olivier,

    I also interviewed Stanzani and Sgarzi, and met several times Ferruccio himself. We have a very nice video document talking to him.

    Why did Ferruccio choose Scaglione to design the 350 GTV ?
     
  16. Olivier NAMECHE

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    7th May 1963, Automobili Lamborghini SpA was officialy created at the Commercial Chamber of Bologna. Ferruccio knew if he was willing to present a prototype for Turin exhibition that year, he needs to find a quick designer...

    Among all the designers, Carpegianni adviced him to select Franco Scaglione for his modern design capabilities and of course for his availability to work immediately because he just separated with Nuccio Bertone where Franco created Alfa B.A.T.

    Appointment was fixed.

    Scaglione arrived in a very nice Mercedes, that was already a good point to impress positively Ferruccio (who liked people who showed off), but mostly because Scaglione came with an "attractive bomb" secretary that impressed so much Ferruccio... then he gave Scaglione immediately the "job"...

    Ferruccio admited later it was a mistake as reporters & journalist present at the launch were no convinced either by the design or by the poor quality of the assembly.

    Moreover, Tonino Lamborghini who was also present that day told me the overall mood was frozen, sceptical people were no asking that much questions, Ferruccio was emphasing his prototype without convincing anybody...
     
  17. Olivier NAMECHE

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    Speaking for myself but probably for some others curious as I'm, will you be very kind to publish your Ferruccio's video on YOUTUBE... should be an extreme awesome document !!!

    Will you do it ???
     
  18. Miura Jota

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    was the GTV prototype ever painted silver ?
    http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5255/5538015032_27f94aedcf_z.jpg


    +1
    We all would love to see that

    please ...
     
  19. Olivier NAMECHE

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    That's in fact a model, but yes it was painted silver-grey when it was presented. There are verious pictures showing this.
     
  22. lambomiura

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    #247 lambomiura, Apr 10, 2011
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Miura Jota
    was the GTV prototype ever painted silver ?
    http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5255/...f94aedcf_z.jpg ..

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Olivier NAMECHE
    this is a model car 1/43 ?

    Up to my knowledge, it was never painted silver...


    From the GTV brochure: silver / light blue

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  23. rolando

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    Dear Olivier,

    Perhaps you read in the meantime the second part about Lamborghini in 1963 (www.passioneautomobile.com).

    I respect your opinion but I have some remarks to make:

    1. Ferruccio wanted a robust engine. OK, but why did he agree then with Bizzarrini upon 100 BHP per litre, a figure in that period only obtained by racing cars, not the most reliable engines I would say ?
    2. Scaglione left Bertone in 1959, 4 years before he got the job for Lamborghini.
    3. Everybody working for Lamborghini Automobili in the early beginning and even after the creation of the company was on the payroll of Lamborghini Trattori or Brucciatori.
    3. The Scaglione story with the Mercedes and the secretary is told by Stanzani and is completely reliable, but Stanzani arrived in september/october 1963. At that moment the decision was already taken to give Scaglione the job, confirmed by Dallara.
    4. We know Ferruccio's passion for nice secretaries, but he was in the first place a businessman. I don't believe the presence of the bomb was the principle reason for him to give the contract to Scaglione.
    5. I think the explanation of Dallara why the 350 GTV didn't go into production, is clear, also confirmed by Bianchi Anderloni.

    Last point, regarding the video, I can not publish this document since there are too many passages referring to persons, personal comments of Ferruccio. The last thing I want is to create polemics about individuals.
     
  24. raymondQV

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    I know this brochure and another picture from a different angle, when you look at the colours you see that they are very pale, I suppose this brochure is printed to bright, since on other pictures the car is much darker.
    BTW also in the famous Auto Jahr of 1963 a picture can be found.
     
  25. Olivier NAMECHE

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    I still consider it light blue... and not silver... as Tonino's book showes it in light blue for its presentation at Sant'Agata...
     

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