The FIA revises blocking penalties

Semantics. A chicken and egg question. And even if it really was this way around (doubtful), that would only put the blame right back into the Mad Max/Whiting group who wants to keep the championship open till the last race. And as I said before it just goes to show Whiting is an idiot. As is Mad Max btw.

 

IMO, this is just a storm because the race happenend to be in the Ferrari backyard. say supposed it happened in INdy or Canada...i doubt it will raise as much questions as this incident.

 

Hi Andreas,
As I said before, I guess that makes me a doorknob and an idiot also, because, as the rule was written, I agree with Whiting's action and the finding of the stewards panel.
Regards,
Bill

 

Luis,
Yes, I am sure that is the reason there is so much talk of the penalty, but in the end, IMO, Alonso's Renault engine was a little off and would have gone "up in smoke" with Fern trying to keep up, no matter what position he started from. Passing the cars from position 9 through 4, should not have been so punishing, for a front running car, as to cause catastrophic failure. MS moved from last position to 5th at Monaco, a course where passing is much more difficult, repeatedly setting the fastest laps of the race in the process and didn't lose an engine. Alonso only managed to set the fifth fastest lap of the day, which could be viewed as a bit of a surprise, with Monza being a high speed course, a small favor to the Renault.
Regards,
Bill

 

I do not like the present form of qualifying and don't really care for the rule as it was written, but that was the rule.

You come to play, you play by the rules. You don't play by the rules (and get caught), you get penalized. Pretty simple. They went easy on him, they didn't put him at the back of the pack.

Now Luis, I thought that was the stuff we agreed to disagree on, now you're getting in a little extra "air time".

Here we go, China, Japan and Brazil !!!

Regards,
Bill

 

You guys are funny.

Closing rate, telemetry, air, etc.

There was never (much of) a problem until this year, there really wasn't a problem at all until just a couple of years ago.

I'm trying to envision the 'problems' of today, if they had occurred 30 years ago, but I just don't see it, I wonder why that is ?

PS - telemetry you can fool, if you really want to, all you need is whoever is programming it to do it.

What is wrong with multiple single car qualifying sessions ?

 

Hey Franco,
Yes, I'm having fun. I can enjoy a bit of a debate (as if you couldn't tell).

I don't have any problem with it, with the speed differentials we are seeing now, it only makes sense. It can be difficult, or dangerous to get in a decent Q lap if you have "farm implements" parading around the track. "Moving chicanes," as someone once said.

Regards,
Bill

 

Sorry, I think you are reading this a little wrong.

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“Complaints that a driver has been impeded during qualifying will no longer be referred to the Stewards of the meeting.

Only in cases where it appears to race control that there has been a clear and deliberate attempt to impede another driver will the Stewards be asked to intervene. We now feel it is pointless for the Stewards to engage in long and painstaking enquiries if competitors ignore clear scientific evidence and instead abuse the regulator.”

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What the above statement indicates is that the Stewards will investigate and penalize racers who are impeding others if the scientific eveidence points in that direction.

This means that the Stewards would have penalized Alonso in any case. But what is being said is that Renault should not consider penalties as a conspiracy theory that Ferrari have made a complaint and the stewards do not want Alonso to win so he got penalized.

This is a clear dig at Renault to tell them that the penalty was fair and that Renault should get back to racing instead of bickering in fron of the tabloid press and bringing disrepute to the sport.

 

above all, i think it was very unprofessional of bernie to hit out at his own stewards and saying that FA's penalty was farce. massa was clearly on going for pole right till he lost time in the parabolica, what do u expect the stewards to do? take no action? doesn;t make any sense.

of cos, i don;t think it was intentional of FA blocking FM, it would make no sense and really silly for him to do that. but than again, this thing just happen. in every sports. sometimes, even in football, actions are taken against players who even accidentally commits a foul. Arsenal's game against Barca last season was already going downhill when main goalkeeper jens lehmann was sent off for unintentional foul over a barca player, altho, it should have been considered as advantage, as another barca player had scored just 2-3 secs after the foul had occured.

but the ref cancelled the goal, and sent off the arsenal goalkeeper. it wasn't intentional, but he still got himself sent off. these things happen in lots of sports. pretty normal, IMHO.

 

Hi Impy - you hit the nail on the head - "get back to racing". Of late, F1 remains a soap opera that's on a downhill roll with each episode.

The DC in FIA GT2 is very close with three races remaining - in fact, there's a tie for first, tie for second only 8 points behind first. Next down the point ladder, 5 drivers are only separated by 3.5 points. Three hours worth of racing at each of the remaing events and racing in lieu of "sour grapes" is quite refreshing.

Carol

 

+1

 

Just because we don't readily agree, doesn't mean we can't thoroughly enjoy beating the subject to death

Thanks all, including my good friend Andreas, Drinks are on me!!!

Well, maybe a form of what Franco suggested, Multiple/Single car sessions, 2 to 4 cars out at a time with say a 15-20 second interval between. Hopefully they wouldn't trade rubber and paint. They all get in 2 or 3 laps per attempt.

Probably, it would be a good subject to poll the drivers on. Ahhh, what the hell do they know

Best regards,
Bill

 

You talken to me? You idiot and doorknob? Well right on, bring the drinks!

Of course I love a good debate too, but you shouldn't so easily side with Whiting, you're way smarter than he is. Glorified traffic light Pope that he is. Somebody in this thread (?) mixed him up with Watkins, now that is one hell of a genius doctor. Whiting isn't.

 

Hey, check this out, I'm quoting myself!!

I forgot to invite Julio, Franco, Ron, Carol, Dr. Stuart, Tony, David, Mark, William, Robert, Tell, P[], and of course Impy!!! This has been a fun thread.

 

That's not how gentlemen act.

Not really. That's what radios are for.

C.

 

Because aerodynamics didn't play as big a part then as they do now?

The drivers who raced 30 years ago don't spend half the time romaticizing that period in history as the fans do.

C.

 

Absolutely !

 

An early sign of onsetting sinility.

I do it all the time.