The future of Ferrari

This topic has been beaten to death already in threads like this one.

 

Both numbers are inaccurate.

 

Ugh.

 

With 22,000 cars being recalled , Ferrari should stop with the greed, stop with the electric ********, and stick to building cars like they used to, when they cant anymore, they should stop building cars altogether and stick to dealer parts , servicing , and get out of F1. I say, go full time into sports car racing until whenever.

Big G

 

The recall had nothing to do with electrification?
They should stop making cars? Why not burn down the factory and commit suicide also?

 

I know the recall had nothing to do with going electric,( greed as in they are building so many new models in such a short amount of time , so therefore the recall ) I just added electric in for good measure. If the EU says no more ICE, then yes , they should stop building new cars, absolutely , its that simple . F1is a total joke at this point, one would know that if one were to watch F1 up through the 1990s. especially during the 1970 s , 1980s , the difference is astounding, not only when it comes to the cars, but with the drivers as well . Ferrari having to recall cars ? Are you kidding me ? Apparently not . lol

Big G

 

Small manufacturers have until 2035 to continue producing combustion engine vehicles. That is likely to be extended, heard any plan of anyone, anywhere upgrading the power grid infrastructure? This topic is honestly, dumb. People need to relax.

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/supercars/european-supercar-makers-have-been-given-reprieve-their-switch-electrification

 

It's akin to Quartz Crisis of the 70s.

Yet you still have Richard Mille, Rolex, Patak. In 100 years, you'll still have Audemars and Constantine.

Ferrari owners fall into two camps.

1) Cars and Coffee
2) Performance über alles.

Yeah, there is some overlap.

Think about those two cohorts.

1) Then EV don't matter.
2) Then EV don't matter.



Are folks driving a 360 *really* caring that many riceboxes can 'beat' them now?
Doubt it.

Folks that pretend to care about 'performance' seem to be the same cohort arguing against it.

Makes my head hurt.

Really, it's poseurs that street race, which outside rural areas is not the smartest thing to do in my opinion. If you gonna race, race, and do it right. The only thing EVs won't be able to do 'better' that ICE can is 'authentic' sound. I happen to Sci-Fi fan, so high tech sounds don't bother me.

Finally, we have till 2035 + plus say a life span of the car, so that's 2045.

I love many sports teams, I don't worry too much what their 2046 championship prospects are.

Stop worrying about what will happen in 25 years and enjoy your car now. Two and a half decades is a long time to have angst.

 

Ferrari will be fine, they have cars that appeal to all segments of the population and they are smart.

Enjoy what you have now Who knows what the future holds?

It may not be what the media talks about with every car be electrified in 13 years. How will we produce all the needed electricity (California for example cannot even provide enough electricity now when it’s very hot)? We will not be ready for full electrification. And…..Porsche and others are working on a new gasoline that could be used in ICE cars without pollution. When that happens, I bet millions of people will still buy ICE cars (no pollution).

 

Recalls are a good thing, they fix problems. Back in the old days they had issues that went unresolved. Today's Ferraris are the best, in terms of quality, in the history of the brand.
Of course they should not stop building cars. As long as private motorcars are allowed, manufacturers will find ways of building brilliant cars, no matter the means of propulsion. Hopefully the ICE will live on in specialised sportscars, but regardless, they should not stop making cars.
F1 is in rude health as it is. The current cars are amongst the quickest ever and the drivers are also amazing. Have we forgotten the pay drivers of the past decades, or the teams that built death traps that would crash even stationary? Yes, they don't sound as amazing as those N/A V12s and V10 did, but that's the price of being eco conscious, even though it is just a statement (as the big F1 pollutants are the cargo planes that ferry them around races).

 

I kinda understand why these threads keep popping up. The reality, however, is Ferrari doesn't give a flying **** what you, I, or anybody else thinks. They are Ferrari.

 

And yes, I dont give a flying **** what they do either lol

Big G

 

For the most part, I love what Ferrari is doing. The only thing I worry about is the implications of being publicly traded. I worry that there will be a constant pressure to incrementally increase revenue and profits year after year. The worse case scenario is they end up like Porsche selling more Macans than actual sports cars. On the other hand, it could mean increased production and me waiting less time for a new car. Every body likes different things from Ferrari. For me, it has always been the mid-engine cars. A simpler, lighter, slightly less expensive mid engine car would be a dream come true.

 

Dont hold your breath ! lol

G

 

I know. Lol. I would even settle for the car only comes in red and tan. There are no options. It’s 300,000. That way no pressure to option it up to 400,000.

 

I was hoping like 175,000 !!!

G

 

Ferrari should consider splitting off an all ICE division. Very low numbers and hand built. Make them very hard to get and cost a lot. Wait..

 

I agree with your first part; as for the second part, sustainability = as a sports enthusiast, I could care less.

The "how is this sustainable" always makes me chuckle since it's the same song (just a different key) as some have been singing for the last 50 years. It makes me smile that the opposing cohort now makes the song famous.

Folks of a particular mindset were at a party I held.

They: "How does it feel to be a gross polluter and use a resource that will run out??"
Me: "Both my Ferrari are used, so I used no new resources versus your new Tesla."
They: "Oh yeah? Well, I don't use gas."
Me: "I drive either of my Ferraris less than 5K a year, maybe 10K tops, so in terms of actual emissions, I use far less than you. Also, your car is disposable, it will be relegated literally on the dustbin of history at some point, whereas my cars, with proper care theoretically, can be in a museum one day, not in a trash heap." That's the holy trifecta, "Re-use, Recycle, and Reduce."
Them: "But the requirements to support all that oil is not sustainable"

BOOM.

That's when both sides decided to sing from the same song sheet.



I didn't care about sustainability when hippies harped on Ferrari in the 80s, 90's 00s.

and

I don't care about sustainability when Luddites cry about it today.


If I care about sustainability, the new Prius looks impressive. Just not something that comes to mind when I think Ferrari, but all of a sudden folks get very conscience of it when it comes to electric power? Yeah, the 2,000 HP Rimac and Lotus Evija are both poo. Talk about hutzpah.

Like how diet and Las Vegas Buffet don't really go together either. Check what newspaper/tv channel tells you to think about that first, before you decide if they do go together or not I guess.

 

Ferrari as an independent company likely does need to worry about EU mandates. Porsche will sell boatloads of Macan EVs to offset every GT3. Ferrari … I don’t know. Part of me thinks they were better off as part of FIAT.

We can debate the virtues of EVs endlessly— and already have— but ICE has had a good 100+ year run and the consumer appeal of EVs is probably compelling to most car buyers. Ferrari has positioned itself at or near the top of the performance car pyramid, but it will be interesting to see how that position holds up when no one lower on that pyramid is producing ICE vehicles. I.e., the pyramid goes away.

Car enthusiasts aren’t the deciders. FChat is a good forum, but we’re a footnote in the broader direction of automotive trends. Most people don’t understand why I bother with a 30-year old 911, 15 mpg, when it needs the occasional $800 part. It makes me happy, but the car market as a whole hardly notices.




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Ferrari is very “sustainable”. Tens of thousands of thousands of cars attached to trickle chargers.

 

Here here, another well thought out post. I myself love ICE, yet I see the writing on the wall. As long as ICE is not banned, I don't care. It's like vinyl to me. Why worry?

I do disagree about your notion of the pyramid disappearing. I mean normal cars are often 'slower' not because of 'peak' performance, but to favor luxury/range/space/price/reliability over pure speed.

I mean VW makes the 100hp Jetta even though it also makes the 1,700 hp Chiron.

When we transition to the EV paradigm, just like in ICE, there will be the 'normal' cars and then the 'hyper-cars.'

The people I know that own the P1, 918, or LaFerrari don't care if a Tesla can't beat them at the stoplight to 1/4 mile. They aren't racing on public high-traffic roads to begin with. Even though the Tesla Plaid will embarrass many 'exotics' in a Fast n Furious encounter, I would still take the exotic every time.

If I or the ones that do want to race....Then we Race. In a sanctioned, closed, safe, track. The ones that don't, well we call them idiot poseurs. (last week in my neck of the woods.)

 

LOL


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That’s the interesting part — and I don’t have a crystal ball here — but the Jetta-to-Chiron comparison may be an artifact of our ICE-age minds. EVs may all be stupidly quick. The extraordinary engineering that goes into a Chiron may become irrelevant. More importantly, the engineering brilliance of a Colombo or Fuhrmann may be an historical anecdote more than a future asset? It’s harder to extract increasing power from an ICE — takes a special kind of genius.

The question about Ferrari’s future is really about whether their historically impressive skill set translates to what’s next. Tesla builds rubbish cars, with zero racing heritage, but in real world driving you need a $1M+ Ferrari to keep up with Tesla’s “flagship”. In my formative years (arguably still in progress), a Ferrari was faster than anything — that’s what got me hooked. That’s the reputation. Rolls Royce, Bentley… not interested. Ferrari, yes. Will be interesting to see if exclusivity alone can carry the marque. I’m hopeful Ferrari (and Porsche) can continue to be distinct as performance cars.





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