The Great Missing Cars | FerrariChat

The Great Missing Cars

Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by proscriptus, Jun 27, 2016.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

  1. proscriptus

    proscriptus Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2007
    Messages:
    22
    Location:
    Vermont
    Full Name:
    D Traver Adolphus
    I'm trying to put together a list of significant missing sports cars for a book project, cars that have dropped off the map but that might still be out there somewhere (ie, the Max Wax 0378AM 375 MM, the stolen Goldfinger DB5). I'm not asking anyone to give up any secrets, but if you have any tips (and photos!), I'd love to talk to you.

    Please email me at [email protected]. I can't promise any reward beyond a credit in the book, but it should be a whole lot of fun.

    Dave
     
  2. technom3

    technom3 F1 World Champ Rossa Subscribed

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2007
    Messages:
    18,616
    Location:
    Phoenix AZ
    Full Name:
    Justin
    Understand that I know you are doing a book but I am going to use an internet reference here...

    You could use 0846 as "click bait' for your book.

    There is TONS of information on this website and I believe that the thread is the world record holder for longest thread in internet history. LOL

    You could even pipe in with Jim and he can explain a considerable amount of information. He is extremely well versed on those cars. Also, you could easily attain the other side of the debate on here as well.
     
  3. proscriptus

    proscriptus Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2007
    Messages:
    22
    Location:
    Vermont
    Full Name:
    D Traver Adolphus
    As a marketing ploy, it's not bad. I was under the impression that it was largely accounted for, but I'll have to read the thread. For the next week straight, apparently. Thanks!
     
  4. El Wayne

    El Wayne F1 World Champ Staff Member Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2002
    Messages:
    18,069
    Location:
    San Marino, CA
    Full Name:
    L. Wayne Ausbrooks
    The two camps disagree on whether: 1) it was destroyed and no longer exists, or 2) it was scrapped, chassis components were recovered, and it has been resurrected around those chassis components. Neither considers the car "missing", so it's probably not a fitting candidate for your book. And that's enough of that, since debate on this topic is not allowed outside of the dedicated thread.

    0378AM is a good one. Off the top of my head, other missing even-numbered Ferraris include 166 MM s/n 0028M, 212 Export s/n 0146E, 250 MM s/n 0282MM, and 750 Monza s/n 0548M.

    Then there were several others that suffered accidents and never resurfaced. They may have been scrapped entirely, or their remains could still be hiding out in barns somewhere.
     
  5. proscriptus

    proscriptus Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2007
    Messages:
    22
    Location:
    Vermont
    Full Name:
    D Traver Adolphus
    Those are excellent, thank you very much.

     
  6. El Wayne

    El Wayne F1 World Champ Staff Member Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2002
    Messages:
    18,069
    Location:
    San Marino, CA
    Full Name:
    L. Wayne Ausbrooks
    No problem. I put together a spreadsheet on these several years ago. I'll dig it up and post it when I get a chance.
     
  7. proscriptus

    proscriptus Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2007
    Messages:
    22
    Location:
    Vermont
    Full Name:
    D Traver Adolphus
    4619SA is provisionally on my list as well.
     
  8. Admiral Goodwrench

    Admiral Goodwrench Formula Junior

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2005
    Messages:
    770
    Location:
    Santa Fe, New Mexico
    Full Name:
    Robert Phillips
    Dear Dave,

    Try 0574 after last known run by Sbraci at Pescara 8/19/56.

    Best regards,

    Robert
     
  9. cheesey

    cheesey Formula 3

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2011
    Messages:
    1,921
    does a 330 LMB qualify Serial # 4619SA... Hagerty shows value of these cars at mid $30 million

    it has been stolen since the '70s, last seen at Blackhawk... when questioned by authorities, the principles had a difficult time remembering the car being on display only the day before.... in deep hiding since....those involved could make Hillary Clinton look like an angel many posts about the car here... would make for some interesting reading if the history on the car comes unravelled
     
  10. ross

    ross Three Time F1 World Champ Owner Silver Subscribed

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2002
    Messages:
    37,991
    Location:
    houston/geneva
    Full Name:
    Ross
    missing bugatti royale.
    missing mercedes ssk's
    missing 3rd edsel roadster
     
  11. BoxerCrazy

    BoxerCrazy Formula Junior

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2002
    Messages:
    355
    Location:
    Charleston WV
    Full Name:
    Douglas A Hunt
    now that's a "story" I would love to read.........
     
  12. proscriptus

    proscriptus Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2007
    Messages:
    22
    Location:
    Vermont
    Full Name:
    D Traver Adolphus
    I've already started to go down that rabbit hole.
     
  13. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ Honorary

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2005
    Messages:
    24,861
    0146 E is not missing.

    0134 E is.
    0236 MM is.
    And many that I cannot talk about.

    Marcel Massini
     
  14. proscriptus

    proscriptus Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2007
    Messages:
    22
    Location:
    Vermont
    Full Name:
    D Traver Adolphus
    This is rather the problem with the whole project.

    You should see how close-mouthed the Porsche community is...

     
  15. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ Honorary

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2005
    Messages:
    24,861
    David

    You should know me.
    I have been working on some of these "projects" for more than 15 years.

    Marcel Massini
     
  16. El Wayne

    El Wayne F1 World Champ Staff Member Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2002
    Messages:
    18,069
    Location:
    San Marino, CA
    Full Name:
    L. Wayne Ausbrooks
    I have a reported sighting, but not necessarily a reliable one. Chassis and body have apparently gone their separate ways, as I know you're aware.

    Dave, I think this is a great idea for an Esquire, Details, or Men's Journal article. Get yourself a few leads from the enthusiasts, do some online research, and then put together 2,500-3,000 words of intrigue. Capture the imaginations of casual magazine readers with dreams of the multi-million dollar cars that may just be hiding out in barns near them.

    But any serious book on this subject will require years of field work and investigation. As it is, countless man-hours have gone into tracking down every one of these cars. Don't expect those who have put in the years of legwork to simply hand over any of the pertinent information they've gathered. And without that information, I'm afraid you won't have much to authoritatively say on the subject.
     
  17. 375+

    375+ F1 World Champ Silver Subscribed

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2005
    Messages:
    13,676
    +1 well said.
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Jun 29, 2016
  18. Enzojr

    Enzojr F1 World Champ

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2013
    Messages:
    14,001
    Location:
    West of PDX
    Full Name:
    Tomy
    Separating fact from fiction may be difficult.
    Living in Oregon I always remember the "parts" of a long lost Ferrari found in a lake in Klamath Falls on some farm.
    Also that can of worms where one car ....... turns into three or more ;)
     
  19. proscriptus

    proscriptus Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2007
    Messages:
    22
    Location:
    Vermont
    Full Name:
    D Traver Adolphus
    Marcel (et al.),

    I think I've given the wrong impression about the book (which I've been asked to write, so the format isn't really my choice).

    But unlike many of my past projects, I also haven't been asked to write a work of serious scholarship. Yes, I need to get my facts straight, but the idea isn't to find the cars, more to talk about the mystery.

    So I'm not asking anyone to hand over their research, nor to compromise any leads. In fact, I encourage you to take advantage of this--give me the story up to 1980, or only part of it, and if any new leads turn up, I'll happily pass them along.

    I've also talked to my editor, and he's also interested in major known cars with missing history, which is even less compromising. We'll even include some great finds, like GTO 3589 or MM 0052M (or even my old friend 0086E).

    Either way, if you have a story to share, I'll work with you to ensure any confidential information stays that way. The mystery will only add to the fun.
     
  20. Timmmmmmmmmmy

    Timmmmmmmmmmy F1 Rookie

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2010
    Messages:
    2,848
    Location:
    NZ
    Full Name:
    Timothy Russell
    The story of #0606 & #0726TR could do with unravelling and being told. #0800 is a mystery to me while the history of #0818 would make a great car story and there must be a pile of mystery around the early Grand Prix cars ......... You will need to be careful that no ego's get hurt in the making of your book.
     
  21. technom3

    technom3 F1 World Champ Rossa Subscribed

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2007
    Messages:
    18,616
    Location:
    Phoenix AZ
    Full Name:
    Justin
    I just remembered there is a great alfa F1 race car that should have its story straigtened out.

    If you have any interest I can provide a significant amount of information as well as a great source who has documented the cars travels over the last roughly 90ish years
     

Share This Page