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The Halon is Here !

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  1. Ricambi America

    Ricambi America F1 World Champ
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    After a short wait, my first shipment of Halon 1211 canisters has arrived! I now have inventory on hand of all four models that I'll sell -- red & chrome, 1.25# and 2.5#.

    I'm pleased to announce that Ricambi America is now a distributor of H3R Halon fire extinguishers to our Ferrari community. As many of you know, Halon 1211 is the choice for fire suppression in a Ferrari.

    Halon is a liquefied, compressed gas that stops the spread of fire by chemically disrupting combustion. Halon 1211 (a liquid streaming agent) leaves no residue and is remarkably safe for human exposure. Halon is most effective for flammable liquids and electrical fires (rated B:C) and is electrically non-conductive. Because it leaves no reside and is safe for your electrical components, extinguishing a fire in your Ferrari doesn't lead to years of electrical gremlins or difficult cleaning solutions. If you think an engine fire can be damaging, just imagine dousing the fire with the wrong suppressant!

    For the past several months, we have turned to Ferrarichat sponsor H3R for these extinguishers. When I learned that H3R is exiting the direct-to-consumer market, I immediately feared this would be a loss to the Ferrari community. H3R is a wonderful company to work with, but their energies will soon be focused on building wholesale distribution in the automotive market for non-halon products.

    Ricambi America will offer H3R's 1.25# and 2.5# chrome and red Halon 1211 extinguishers with the metal mounting bracket via our website. You can find our cylinders at www.ricambiamerica.com under the "Fire Suppression" category, or directly at www.ricambiamerica.com/index.php?cPath=627

    The website doesn't calculate shipping just right -- these canisters will ONLY be shipped via FedEx ground. I will adjust shipping charges accordingly, but you can expect prices of about $10-$15 per cylinder throughout the U.S.

    Drive safely. Be prepared.


    p.s. If you're getting a new extinguisher, you should probably also consider the "Charness Harness" for secure, metal-to-metal mounting that'll pass muster in FCA track events: http://www.tradetutor.com/raceprep/
     
  2. MDshore348

    MDshore348 Formula 3

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    i say let it burn ! the last thing i want is a burn repaired fcar, or do i ever want to sell it to someone....:) let it burn to the ground...but make sure you have proper insurance!

    but halon is the best way to go ....
     
  3. dm_n_stuff

    dm_n_stuff Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Daniel.

    Does your price include a mounting bracket with a quick release, or is it just for the extinguisher.

    Your order hinges on the answer (JK) but I need to know if I need to order a bracket seperately.


    [edit] NEVER MIND, A CAREFUL RE-READ OF YOUR WEB PAGE INDICATES BRACKET INCLUDED, chalk up a duh for me. [edit]


    Dave
     
  4. Ricambi America

    Ricambi America F1 World Champ
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    You say that, and I hear you. BUT, having witnessed a very dear friend wreck his Ferrari at high speed, you can be DARN sure, the first thing I did was run toward his car with MY extinguisher in hand, fearing the car being in flames, or my friend. I saw the accident occur, screeched to a stop, grabbed my Halon extinguisher and ran to help.

    Maybe we want our personal cars to burn into a ash-heap for insurance purposes, but I doubt we want our friends to suffer a similar fate. For less than $200, you'll be able to make the choice whether to save the car or let it burn. You might also have the ability to save somebody else, who's in dire need.

    I know, it sounds all mushy and left-wing idealistic. Watch one of your friends fly off the road, launch the car 40 feet, and slam (gas tank first) into a 100 year old oak tree. It changes your perspective.

    I'm not an EMT, but having some level of prepardness always makes sense.


    -Daniel
     
  5. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

    Dr Tommy Cosgrove Three Time F1 World Champ
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    I would put mine out if it was on fire.
     
  6. Mike C

    Mike C F1 Veteran
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    I was caravaning with a friend from Huntsville to Atlanta... smoke started coming out of the back of his 328. We stopped on the side of the freeway, opened his engine bonnet and saw some flames around the exhaust when you looked straight down in front of the luggage area. Extinguisher to the rescue! It was a small oil leak that was just starting to catch fire. *NO* permanent damage to his car. Would you really want that small fire to turn into a big one?

    I believe in having an extinguisher handy!!!
     
  7. k wright

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    I would definately put mine out ASAP if fire occured. I don't want this in the passenger compartment, how shale I mount it in the trunk of a 355?

    ken
     
  8. k wright

    k wright F1 Rookie
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    I would definately put mine out ASAP if fire occured. I don't want this in the passenger compartment, how shale I mount it in the trunk of a 355?

    ken
     
  9. Ricambi America

    Ricambi America F1 World Champ
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    Ken -

    Keeping it in the truck is certainly an option -- although not quite as handy as if it were in the passenger compartment. I put mine on the parcel shelf behind the seats of my 348: http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=134794741&postcount=2

    In the luggage compartment, I would think you could easily mount it on either of the side walls, or maybe in one of the corners. You'll be compromising some storage capacity for sure -- but just make sure to mount it in a location where you can quickly get it, unstrap it, and return to the engine compartment.

    -Daniel
     
  10. dm_n_stuff

    dm_n_stuff Four Time F1 World Champ
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    #10 dm_n_stuff, Aug 6, 2005
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    Daniel.

    Thanks so much for the prompt shipment (as usual) great value (like we've all come to expect) and added safety (of course) that the fire extinguisher added to my car.

    As always, Ricambi and Daniel got it done!

    Dave
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  11. jungathart

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    Put the fire out!!!
    This is a safety issue for the driver as well as others on the road. I am sure you can still claim a total loss and not have to claim lives as well.
     
  12. brent Lachelt

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    Dave what size is your Ferrari sticker on the extinguisher and where did you get it?

    Thanks
     
  13. DN35

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    Offering brackets as well as Halon extinguishers would be perfect.
     
  14. Ricambi America

    Ricambi America F1 World Champ
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    I include an assortment of stickers, free, with the fire extinguishers. The assortment includes a small nose emblem, a large nose emblem, and a non-resin shield emblem.


    -Daniel
     
  15. mark/w/328

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    Well USA must be the only place in the would you can buy halon,
    For memory most countrys reached an agreement called the Montreal Protocol
    in 1987,The timescale set for the cessation of production of halon the end of 1993 in the developed world, and 2010 in other countries.
    good luck
     
  16. Ricambi America

    Ricambi America F1 World Champ
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    You're right. Worldwide production of Halon has ceased. These are new cannisters, filled with "reclaimed" Halon by H3R (a former sponsor of Fchat). Although production has been banned, the sale of Halon remains entirely legal. In fact, the market of Halon in the aviation industry remains incredibly strong as the switch-over to "Halotron" is a very slow process.

    I'm certainly no tree-hugger, but I suspect dousing an engine fire with Halon would have far fewer environmental consequences than :
    (1) having an entire car burn/smoke/smolder into atmosphere
    (2) having a partially burned car rebuilt/repainted using considerable manufacturing energies and resultant paint fumes.
    (3) having a burned up car sent to the junkyard where it rots back into the earth

    It's kind of like those Hybrid cars. I wonder if their lifetime savings to the environment is ever offset by the environmental damage caused by battery disposal or additional manufacturing energy used to produce the car in the first place... ?

    Anyway, just some food for thought. Mark is right: new Halon production is banned. Once it's gone, it's gone.

    Best Regards,
    Daniel
     
  17. dm_n_stuff

    dm_n_stuff Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Comes with!!

    Everything you need to install it except the screws and the muscle.

    I had a halon extinguisher in there, but it had a larger diameter, and a cheaper bracket. I kept releasing it with my elbow. This one is slimmer, has a better bracket, all in all a better solution.

    DM
     
  18. DGS

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    Or R134 -- R12 was a "slippery" molecule, and early units used to leak it ... but my '80s Toyota was sold, 15 years later, with the same R12 in it that was installed by the factory. But we just had to change to R134 -- which is toxic to humans, causes the engine to burn more fuel for the same cooling, and ... we're now told, is also "bad for the environment".

    I'm beginning to think that anything that works is deemed "bad" by the tree huggers.

    What's that say about environmentalists?

    Funny that none of these tree-huggers support the space program, either.
    No "cheating" by getting the dirty industries off the planet ... (We wouldn't want to pollute space, now, would we?)
    (Especially ironic, as it was that pix of the Earth rising above the moon from Apollo VIII that spawned the whole "Earth Day" movement.)

    Why is it that so many "pro-environment" initiatives wind up hurting the environment?
     
  19. johngtc

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    The major source of CFCs in the stratosphere was not R12 from a/c or refrigeration systems - which are not intended to leak! - but from aerosols, which are deliberately discharged. R12 (or rather Fluorocarbon 12) was an ideal aerosol propellant and worldwide the volumes used were enormous.

    Halon 1211 (also known as BCF) is a potential ozone depleter but fire extinguishers are rarely discharged and the small amount of 1211 used has to be balanced against the acidic and highly toxic fumes given off by a burning car. It is also an extremely effective fire extinguishant, which leaves no residue and can be used successfully by untrained people.

    It is my understanding that the chemical industry 'volunteered' 1211 to the Montreal Protocol, in the hope of healing some of the PR damage incurred by their initial reluctance to embrace the CFC ozone depletion theories. The amount made was always minimal compared to R12 is far exceeded by nature's production of 'natural' ozone depleters.

    So, we have lost the ability to buy 'new' 1211 as a result of political expediency.
     

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