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The "Help me identify this car" thread

Discussion in 'General Automotive Discussion' started by Samy, Feb 22, 2006.

  1. AWESOME

    AWESOME Karting

    Jan 29, 2009
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    #251 AWESOME, Jul 18, 2009
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    Im thinking maybe a Porsche Speedster?
     
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  3. teej

    teej Formula Junior

    Jul 1, 2009
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    a very bad one at that... I am guessing it's a reproduction. I doubt a real speedster would get that rear end and side pod treatment
     
  4. WillSpain

    WillSpain Karting

    Jul 12, 2009
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    looks like a 356,yeah,but with some modifications.

    Who knows,may be some kind of brand or kit based in a 356 design.
     
  5. TheMayor

    TheMayor Eight Time F1 World Champ
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    Vegas baby
    It's the Buttugly 2000.
     
  6. Forexpreneur

    Forexpreneur Formula Junior

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    I think the first one is a test version of the F430 replacement. Could be wrong. ;)
     
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  8. Bandit

    Bandit Formula Junior

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    Looks like an old Volkswagen Beetle with a body kit on it.
     
  9. teej

    teej Formula Junior

    Jul 1, 2009
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    or a new citroen
     
  10. blackdowndraft

    blackdowndraft Karting

    Jan 16, 2006
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    #258 blackdowndraft, Jul 18, 2009
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    The car in the top picture is a PGO speedster II

    It is a french built neo/classic porsche speedster

    Mid engine with a Peugeot 206 GTI motor

    PGO Speedster II


    Photo Gallery




    Review


    Introduction

    PGO stands for Pierre Gérard Organisation, a family company founded in the early eighties, producing replicas of glorious old-timers like the Cobra 427. After they bought the rights from a company named Apal to produce replicas of the old Porsche 356, PGO developed the PGO Classic which is still for sale at €27,060. In 1998 Laurent Skrzypczak and Olivier Baudouin took over the company and started with a semi-industrial production of the cars. The Speedster II that we tested, was first introduced at the car exposition of Paris in 2002. This is the first car completely developed by PGO itself and is hand-build in France. The technology is borrowed from Peugeot…

    Chassis

    Only few have ever heard of the constructor PGO. But what we know for sure, is that everyone is fond of the looks of our silver Speedster. The youth just thinks it’s a cool car. The older generation think it has a nostalgic neo-classistic look. On the streets many people recognise this car as an old Porsche 356 Speedster. No wonder, the design is the same, although there are a lot of modifications like the high positioned mirrors, the modern taillights and the modern 17” rims.

    This car is bigger then the original also: 3.85 meters by 1.67 meters. It is the perfect combination of old and new together. The chassis, made of composite materials, is attached to a steel frame. Since the engine is mounted in the back, the luggage compartment is in the front… but you won’t get more in there then a backpack and a jacket.

    Interior

    Eight gauges give you information about speed, rpm, oil pressure and temperature, water temperature and the fuel that’s left in tank. This interior fits the retro and racy atmosphere of this car perfectly. At night, when the instrument lightning is on, it produces a nostalgic red glow. The red leather seats are a nice combination for the silver colour of the chassis. Except for the radio with CD player and the electrical rear view mirrors, no luxury will be found here. But who needs that when he’s driving this PGO?

    What we do miss is a little more space to put our sunglasses, a couple of CD’s or a bottle of water. Also a pity is that the switches for the heating are also from Peugeot, a big contrast with the rest.

    Engine & Performance


    Under the hood we find the same 2.0-litre engine which we also find in the Peugeot 206 GTi. The result of the 138 brake horse power in this lightweight is much more spectacular then in the 206. With a weight of 930 kg the Speedster II is launched from 0 to 100 km/h under 7 seconds. The top speed is reached at 215 km/h. Between 4.000 en 6.500 rpm the car is most responsive to the throttle. It loves to be raced through twitchy land roads. The 5-speed gearbox is perfect for the job, but for the highway we would have appreciated a sixth gear to reduce noise and consumption.

    Fuel Consumption


    This car invites you to push the throttle. If you drive it sporty the consumption will of course be higher then 8 liter / 100 km from the constructor. An average of 11 liter / 100 km is still very acceptable for this type of car. With a fuel tank of 40 litres out of the Renault Twingo, you can drive approximately 350 km if you can keep your right foot a little under control. Not a problem, we love to see the faces of amazed people when we pull over at the gas station...

    Driving


    Driving the Speedster II is what it’s all about. This is what us makes forget all the downside elements of this car. Accelerating, braking, shifting down a gear and again full on the throttle heading towards the next curve… that’s what you’d like to do most in this car. There is no doubt about it, this is a drivers car. This PGO is beautifully balanced and is very stable in the corners. In fast corners there is a little under steer, especially on a bumpy road. The tail is very steady and gives a very reliable feeling.

    Comfort

    This must be something the people at PGO never heard of. The suspension is hard as a rock. Driving across a bumpy road is a disaster in this car and will make your back yearn for a smooth stroke of asphalt. When it rains you better leave it at home, because this PGO is actually designed to be driven with your hairs in the wind. The top is only to get home when it suddenly would start to rain. It doesn’t completely fit at the edges, so wind and water can get in easily. A conversation at speeds higher then 120 km/h is virtually impossible because of the noise the engine and the wind produce, especially with the top closed. Visibility is very poor also then. Fortunately the heating works very well, so we can drive with the top down as soon as it’s dry. This soft top is very easy to open and close… if you practise a little you can do the job in less then a minute. The side windows can’t be opened but can only be removed, so that’s not very practical neither. But no whining… if you want comfort you better buy a Z4 or a SLK.

    Safety

    No airbags, no ABS, not even powered steering… this car is pure. As a driver, you have to take control of the car and not the other way around. So is it safe then? Let’s just say you better pay attention to the road at all times and that you better know what you’re doing. We rather don’t think about what would be the consequence if you’d crash this car.

    Price & Equipment

    A PGO Speedster II costs €31,350. For this amount of money you get the standard interior with a leather steering wheel, six gauges and 16” light alloy wheels. Our test drive model was also equipped with the “Pack Dynamic”.
    For €5,060 extra it contains a complete leather interior, eight gauges, doorsteps in aluminium, a radio with CD-player and 17” light alloy wheels. Together with an extra €950 for a soft top in Alpaca, this brings the total price from our testcar to €37.360.

    That’s a lot of money for a car which you can’t use to go to work every day, or which you can’t use to go shopping with, unless you don’t buy too much. But if money isn’t an issue, this is the car to have on a beautiful summer day! We guarantee that you will have an awful lot of fun in this PGO.

    Story and images by Frederick Valkenborgh from AutoTester.

    Specifications


    Engine & Transmission

    Type Inline 4, 16-valves
    Location Mid, transversely-mounted
    Displacement 1997 cc / 121.9 cu in
    Bore 85.0 mm / 3.35 in
    Stroke 88.0 mm / 3.46 in
    Compression ratio 7.75:1
    Power 102.9 kW / 138.0 bhp at 6000 rpm
    Torque 190.0 Nm / 140.1 ft lbs at 4100 rpm
    Drive Rear wheel drive
    Transmission 5-speed manual
    Front brakes Ventilated discs
    Rear brakes Ventilated discs
    Steering Rack and pinion

    Performance & Fuel Economy

    0 - 62 mph 7.0 seconds
    0 - 100 mph Not Available
    0 - ¼ mile Not Available
    Top Speed 215.0 kph / 133.6 mph
    EPA city 12,1 l/100 km
    EPA highway 6,6 l/100 km
    EPA combined 8,7 l/100 km
    Our driving 11,0 l/100 km

    Dimensions & Weight

    Length 3930 mm / 154.7 in
    Width 1720 mm / 67.7 in
    Height 1260 mm / 49.6 in
    Wheelbase 2250 mm / 88.6 in
    Front track 1440 mm / 56.7 in
    Rear track 1430 mm / 56.3 in
    Front tyres 205/40-R17
    Rear tyres 205/40-R17
    Kerb weigth 930 kg / 2050 lbs
    Max. permitted weigth 1286 kg / 2835 lbs
    Seating capacity 2 seats
    Trunk volume min / max Not Available
    Fuel capacity 40,0 liter
    Spare wheel No spare wheel available

    Price

    Available from €31,350 (Basic Equipement)
    Base price test car €36,410 (Dynamic Pack)
    Price as tested €37,360
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  11. MBZZR

    MBZZR Karting

    Jun 26, 2008
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    Marc
    Someone did their Homework. Well done!!
     
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  13. Isobel

    Isobel F1 Veteran
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    Handy that it's powered by a Pgo 205......;)
     
  14. Michiel Mobiel

    Michiel Mobiel Formula 3

    Mar 27, 2006
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    Quite a simple and ingenious concept. They took the entire 206 drivetrain, including the gearbox and front axle, fixed the steering and reversed transmission and mounted the entire unit backwards.
     
  15. big.bryant

    big.bryant Formula Junior

    Sep 17, 2008
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    What will they think of next? lol
     
  16. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    I'm curious as to where they put the radiator(s) and ducting.
     
  17. Sfumato

    Sfumato F1 Veteran

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    French did that with their tanks, but didn't reverse the trans. :) (very old joke, used to be 1 speed forward, 3 reverse). Now 5 reverse.
     
  18. Agntbrd

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  19. 1969 Mangusta

    1969 Mangusta Formula Junior

    Sep 15, 2007
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    Yor right looks Zonda like. What is the blue car???? Looks to good to be a kit at a glance.
     
  20. agup48

    agup48 Two Time F1 World Champ

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  21. agup48

    agup48 Two Time F1 World Champ

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    #269 agup48, Sep 12, 2009
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  22. Michiel Mobiel

    Michiel Mobiel Formula 3

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  23. JDZNate

    JDZNate Formula Junior

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    Wow thanks on the fast reply. Also I didn't notice the sticky of help me identify this car.
     
  24. Buzz48317

    Buzz48317 F1 Rookie

    Dec 5, 2005
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    3.5L V-6/245 hp. engine, 150 mph top end, 5 speed automatic supercar? They are stretching the definition of supercar a little aren't they? The only thing that it has going for it aside from the looks is the fact that it is a 2,000 lb car. That thing better handle like a Lotus.
     
  25. agup48

    agup48 Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Haha, no problem. I just googled "Russian Supercars" and they don't have many :D :D
     
  26. ryankjb

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