I was thinking of having perspex headlight covers like on the Lm Ferraris, something similar to the pic below, I will have to make up a suitable lightweight bumper to match it though. I love what you are doing to your Mondial Z but I want to build a 'Retro' race car similar to the black Sbarro (bottom pic but in red), the rear flared arches are going to be a problem to get them to look correct, I want the finished car to be as light as possible and to look aggressive Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Hella treat me as OEM so I get excellent prices on their stuff. edited to say that I am repeating myself!
What is your timetable for your project? You and AndrewG should come to sunny Singapore for a holiday to see the Mz - it is aggggressssive
Oddly its on my list of places I'd like to visit this year!....whether it will get through the holiday destination approval comitte is another matter
I haven't got a timetable just the sooner the better, I am concentrating on weight loss at the moment (the car not me!), then I want to enjoy the few days of summer we have then I want to really go into it during next winter, Bumpers Lights etc... Call me sad but i've never been into holidays, i'm going to Le Mans this year but that is as far as i'll go, it annoys my wife that I never want to go anywhere ;-)
If you can make up some rear flared arches like on the black Sbarro so that I only have to fit them that would be great, I just don't know where to start with something like that
I was thinking Fibreglass otherwise ali would be fine, something similar width to on the Sbarro pic above. Would I drill and bolt them on the fill along the edge? Also how about rear quarter panels in Fibreglass that I can replace mine with as they are too good to drill Any prices would be great so I can get an idea of my next steps
There a complete F&£$*er to remove, you'd end up destroying the quaters trying to get them off! to do the arches properly you'd have to cut whats there already to fit the wider wheels and then do the fibreglass extensions
Ok, thanks for that, I will leave the rear quarters on there then, I wish we were a bit nearer and I could get you to do the arches etc.. What you are saying is that its best to make the flared fibreglass extensions 'after' cutting the rear quarter panels. I once had a Mk2 Escort Rally Car with forest arches and you married them up, drilled the body & wings, bolted them on and filled the edges, is that what you are saying to do here
Pete, your more than welcome to give me a call to discuss, there's a link to our website in my profile
Thanks, I've got your number, I really need to get my priorities right first and get my garages built and get my car out of the warehouse where I keep it so I can work on it when I want, I keep the car two miles away and I have a spinal injury so sometimes when I go down there I can only do 10 minutes and then I have to come home, at least when i've got it here I can go out and do what I can and then go back out a little while later
Andrew I understand you've finally done your 348 bumpers, what does it need to fit, what are your prices fitted and unfitted, also please post some pics, painted or unpanited so we can get a guide, also how do you think they look on the now semi dated mondy body thanks Pete
I'm interested to hear opinions on modified Ferraris and their values, say Zertecs Mondial Z for instance or the Mondial Qv's with the lightweight 348 bumpers, obviously us modifiers are spending money doing what WE really want to do to OUR cars, but does it really affect their values, will the prices be lower or could they be higher, at the end of the day mine will be a one-off tastefully built (my opinion) lightweight road/race car, Ok we aren't Vignale or Zagaoto but will these be valued as unique cars or boy racered ferraris. I would like your thoughts on this either way, no offence taken on what you write ;-)
The value will almost definatley go down, how much depends on how well done the car is.....but at £10k for a mint qvand £4-5k for a rough car any drop really isnt that much (less than a £10k new car would loose in value over a year)
What if it si done well. I see a gt4 with uprated suspension, fibreglass doors and wings, racing seats and harnesses, which was suitable for hillclimbs and it was £24k Basically this is what I want to do to mine
did actually sell for that ????????as it might be there for months and never sell you see them in the autotrader month after month there are 3 mondials on there at the mo been there for over 9 months!!!! that TOPGEAR episode has put GT4 DINO'S back years as people think FERRARIS are cheap crap as with the lambo and maserati people won't touch cheaper cars as they are running scared imho
I think it is very hard to add value to a car by modifying it. By definition you are making a unique car and shrinking the market to which that car appeals. Anyone buying that car will generally factor in the difficulty of reselling the car a later date.
Hi Andy Thanks for your input, The value isn't an issue as I will never sell it, I was more curious to see what the general ferrari drivers thought
Hi Clive, Do you use something called photoshop like some do on here, if yes is there any chance you can do a pic of the flared arches thanks Pete
I have thought about this since my car has some $$ in mods. I think for one off or bespoke examples several things come into play, but I will mention two: recognizability and provenance. There are hundreds of Ferrari one offs, perhaps none so famous as the 250 Breadvan - everyone knows the story and there fore it is an interesting car; much more so than if someone had modified a 250 SWB and never showed it to anyone. There are many Ferraris 250s, 330s with custom front ends that are well done that no one has ever heard of, so they are just modified cars. Michelotti cars: If I had a 308 and simply had Michellotti do the mods I did, it would be worth a WHOLE lot more money. The provenance and the recognizability of the name are key. The Sbarro cars are another example. So, if I were Zertec, Inc, I'd be doing just what he is doing, although for different reasons - I'd plaster the development of the car everywhere and make it recognizable as THE FIRST Zertec Ferrari - see where I am going with this? For my car, it works out that Norwood Performance and Carobu Engineeringdid a lot of the modification; that is more recognizable than Bubba's Corvette Center. Anyway, just some random thoughts. Cheers rt
Your thoughts are right, what you are basically saying is that these cars are like paintings, if it is by Van Gogh or Rembrandt it is what everyone knows and is valued that way, if it is done by anybody at home then its just another painting worth whatever someone will be willing to pay. I think what you've done with your carb conversion is more tasteful than what I am doing, I'm going for a stripped out racer with loads of carbon fibre I remember someone in the racing circles saying: If it is in steel can it be made in ali, if its in ali can it be made in Carbon fibre, if its in carbon fibre do we really need it on there. And thats my philoshophy
I certainly don't have a problem with what you guys do - and with the amount of effort that you are clearly putting into them, they will be great cars. I would certainly be interested in seeing (and hearing) the finished articles. I did wonder if my opinion would be different if you were modifying a 246 or a 275. Yes, it probably would be different as I don't think there is much room for improvement with those cars. At the end of the day it's your car - yours is the only opinion that counts! I am a bit of purist when it comes to my own car - I would like a few more bhp but I would find it hard to swap originality for more performance.