The KIMI SUCKS Thread

Haas is on the market for an "experienced" F1 driver.

 

Oops 1 year out by memory. Not bad

Most people realise that to win the WDC you need to be driving the best car, therefore Ferrari winning the WDC is a bigger ad for the car than both drivers just consistently accruing points.

Anyway, Ferrari did say they had not won for 21 years which can only be true for the WDC. Also compare the 1999 celebrations to 2000 ...

How many years has Hulk been racing? Why hasn't a top team signed him. The usual for quality is max 3 years ... so the team managers can't rate him, whatever Alonso says.
Pete

 

Of course the WDC result stays in the records against the manufacture. Do a search and you will find how many WDC and WCC each team has won.

Yes Bernie pays minor money for WCC results, sponsors want the WDC winner in their car because that is what is reported on all sports news, ie. Lewis Hamilton won the WDC driving his Mercedes. Not even sure they announce the WCC winner?

Anyway I don't care ... still don't understand why there is a WCC as unnecessary. I'm a very happy Alfista, with one of the reasons being we won the first F1 WDC .
Pete

 

Well, one could say that a WDC is associated with a particular driver, but not always.

Ascari won his 3 tiles with Ferrari.
Stewart won his 3 titles with Tyrrell.
Clark won his 2 titles with Lotus. for example.

But Fangio won 5 WDCs with 4 different teams, Fittilpaldi had 2 with 2 different teams, Lauda had 3 titles with 2 teams, same with Piquet, Prost, etc...

Does a driver who win with different team shows more adaptability than one who doesn't?
Or is it just opportunism?

 

Was there a WCC back then?

 

Ascari only won 2

 

Spot on Furoni!

I put that mistake deliberately to see if someone would notice!

Bravo, for attention ...

 

I missed a bit, Stewart only won 2 with Tyrrel, the first one was with a Matra

 

Well, it was part of the Tyrrell team; it was a Matra customer car.

Jackie Stewart never drove for anybody else in GPs.

 

Christian Horner will be happy to remind you that Red Bull won 8 Championships with Sebastian Vettel...

 

That association between team and driver would be shattered if Vettel was to win 2 more championships with Ferrari, right?

What is better for a team? Winning several WCCs with one driver or with just with several?
In the first case, one could say the merit falls to the driver, in the latter to the team, no?

 

Louis Stanley and the Owen Racing Organization campaigning BRM's might disagree... >JYS interest in safety came from a chash in the BRM in 1966 at Spa, where he hit a telephone pole and was stuck in the car.

 

You are right!

How could I be so forgetfull, I don't know.

In my argument, I had completely forgotten that Stewart spent 2 years at BRM before going to Tyrrell.

Thanks for reminding me !

 

No worries! If you follow F1 long enough, you have to forget something....I know I do!

 

I can not make sense of what you just said. All I know is that Horner has mentioned that fact several times since Seb has been with Ferrari.

 

If i remenber correctly, he was soaked in gasoline and paniked inside the car, he kept screaming..probably afraid the damn thing would go up in flames, it seems Clark was there and told him to stop screaming because Helen (his wife) was there and gettin scared...

 

I will try to put it simply.

If Vettel never wins another championship, Christian Horner will be aqble to say "Red Bull won 8 championship with Sebastian, who never won one after he left us". Meaning "our car is better than a Ferrari", without us, Vettel would be nothing.

Now look back at Fangio who won championships with Al;fa Romeo, Maserati, Mercedes and Ferrari. People say "Give Fangio any car, he will win with it", enhancing his talent at the expense of the cars.

 

Yes, stuck in the car for 25 minutes.

Not Clark, but Graham Hill and Bob Bondurant who freed him by removing the steering wheel with a wrench borrowed from a spectator. From then on JYS would tape the correct wrench to remove the bolts to his steering wheel.

Farzad's F1 Gallery Message Board ? View topic - 1966 - Spa - Rain, rain, rain...

 

I don't think the purpose of winning Championships is to potentially hold them over the head of the drivers later in their career if they become less successful. Your thought process seems a bit nonsensical.

 

No. Not and IMO never required.
Pete

 

So in 1952 and 53 Ferrari fielded a car capable of winning the WDC.

So Matra fielded a car capable of winning the WDC.

So Tyrell fielded cars capable of winning two WDC.

So Chapman supplied Clark with a car capable of winning the WDC twice. Well done Colin.

And Alfa Romeo, Mercedes, Ferrari and Maserati managed to supply cars that were good enough for Fangio to win the WDC ...

You cannot separate the driver and CAR. Fangio, as good as he was, would not have won if the cars were not up to it and the same goes for all other drivers, so the CARS were the enablers.

Well it shows that they know how to select the right team/car at the right time but it also does show some level of adaptability.

But again no driver, even Clark, Stewart or Fangio could win a WDC if their car was not up to the job. So please tell me why the WCC is required, as it isn't. It is meaningless.
Pete

 

Most definitely if Vettel has no further success his WDC's will be considered to be the result of very dominant cars. After all he only had to beat Webber to win ...
Pete

 

How does anything written in the last 1.9 pages address the topic of this thread? It has nothing to do with whether Kimi does or does not inhale ...