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The last factory race Ferrari that is streetable?

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  1. Luke

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    I just found out that the 1995 355 Challenge car I have for sale left the factory in July 1996 as a 355 CH. I read in Forza years back that 15 of these exist- the rest apparently either do not have streetable VIN #'s or were retro-fitted to Challenge standards by dealers. Is is fair to call these cars the " Last factory race Ferrari that is streetable?"
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  2. CornersWell

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    Perhaps a better way to phrase it is that it can be titled and plates obtained.

    However, a dealer may be able to put a dealer plate on anything and go for a spin! Wouldn't it be fun to have a 333SP pull up next to you at a light?

    Street-ability, in my mind, means will it survive in daily stop-and-go traffic. Is is comfortable. Does it have creature comforts. Etc.

    CW
     
  3. kevfla

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    How about the last Ferrari selling new as a "dual-purpose," road AND track car. It would be a toss-up between the 250 SWB or maybe the 250 LM. I remember seeing Joe Rosen's 250 LM with New York plates reading X1-9 (as in Fiat X1-9) back in the 1980s.

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  4. CornersWell

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    There's a Comp Daytona I know of with GA street plates.

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  5. Texas Forever

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    Do you have a point? Sure.

    But is it fair? Probably not. When most people think of a "factory race car," they see a car designed from soup to nuts to go racing. Challenge cars, of course, are street cars that were modified into spec race cars that were only competitive against themselves.

    IMNSHO, the last "streetable" race car made by Ferrari was the 288 GTO, and it was never raced, or at least not by the factory.

    That said, your car should fetch a premium. For reasons only they understand, there is a small group of people who are willing to pay extra for a race car they can drive in their neighborhood. Again, this is not something I'd would want to do, but there are those who do!

    Dale
     
  6. Texas Forever

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    One year as I was leaving the Embassy Suites in Monterey, a 250 SWB roared up and stopped. The driver jumped out, ran up to his room to get something, jumped back in and roared back to the track.

    Only in Monterey.

    Dale
     
  7. Gatorrari

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    I've heard of one gentleman in Italy who bought a 250 GTO when new and is still using it today as his road car! I'd say that the GTO would probably be the proper answer; later mid-engined cars like 250 LMs and even 330 P4s have been licensed for the road, but they are undoubtedly less practical for that than even the GTO.
     
  8. Napolis

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    No P4's have been licensed for the road. Two 412 P's and one P 3/4 have been.

    The date of manufacture is key as are local state laws.

    After model year 1967 it became impossible to register a race car for the road without modification. In the case of your challenge car you can't register it as it raced you'd have to reconvert it to road legal configuration and meet all safety and pollution regulations in affect on date of manufacture.

    I think it's fair to say that the 1967 275 GTB was the last Ferrari that could be legally driven to a race and raced. The 68 Racing Daytona's were not US road legal because their smog equipment was removed.

    The story about the 250 GTO is a nice one but I'm not sure that it's true. The longest continuos owner died a while ago and for many years his car rested in a museum where it's currently for sale.
     
  9. ross

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    the handful of 360 challenge cars that have been made roadworthy, probably count as the 'last' streetable race cars.
     
  10. Napolis

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    250 GTO/250 SWB/250 Cal Spyder/ yes but 250 LM's and 412P's while road legal aren't usable as road cars day in and day out.

    Even a 250 GTO was more of a race car than a road car.
     
  11. Napolis

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    It depends on what your definition of is is...

    Challenge racing is racing but it's not Racing.
     
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    :) ;)
     
  13. Challenge64

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    The F355 Challenge car would be my pick. The 360 Challenge cars never left the factory with titles/MSOs - just bills of sale. We all signed agreements as the first round of buyers to NOT use them on the street. While others have turned them into street cars, they are terrible street cars.

    I agree..but I disagree.
     
  14. Napolis

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    I have great respect for anyone who races anything but I still think that the last street legal Ferrari that could be raced and then could be driven home from the race legally without modification was the 275 GTB.

    The last Ferrari Factory Race car which was road legal in the US were the 67 412P's,
    67 P 3/4 and 67 P4's.

    As an aside Porsche still builds road legal cars that can be driven to major races, raced successfully, and driven home.

    Ferrari builds GT3 and GTC versions of it's 458 but those are not road legal.
     
  15. mikesufka

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    Just curious what museum? And how much (not that I'm buying)?

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    Large Collection/Museum in Italy.

    Asking price for Series 1 GTO's these days seems to be 35mm.
     
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    Thanks
     
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    george nuess (sp?)
     
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    Care to comment why this car hasn't been bought?
     
  20. Napolis

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    There are several GTO Series 1's for sale and a Series 2 as well. The Heirs who control this one as I understand it want to sell the entire collection as a group.
     
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    At a much lower price point and a club racer, there's the 1995 355 Challenge car. These came as street cars with titles and then became racers. So the title survives while other Challenge cars do not have titles.


    And on a different note. I am hoping to build a tribute to the 1978 512BB IMSA LeMans entry of Ch. Pozzi. It will likely be more of a cosmetic tribute developed as far as I have $. So it may be more street. I plan on streeting it and tracking it of course.
     
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    Oops. Forgot it's about factory cars.
     

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