First of all the times you have touched any of my nerves are long gone, second if the word ****ing is profanity and an indication for you I suggest you never talk to Americans unless you think they are all profane I doubt that I am any more confused than you are... But I guess what you call bashing started when a few certain members (of whom some are banned now) started to make every single thread about Lewis and his greatness, so obviously you are confusing what was action (fanboys) and reaction (bashing) by trying to turn it around. And once again you are wrong (as quit often to be honest) as I neither have ever called him Elton nore did I ever care about his fashion, music or other activities. I just think he is a fake, shallow personality and certainly not the brightest candle on the cake. If that is cool for you because he is leading the WDC sure, to each his own.... It certainly had some interesting maneuvres, unfortunately for you none by Lewis
Well, you know, stating the obvious can make anyone being accused of being an Elton lover on this forum. It's hard to swipe Hamilton's success Under the carpet and pretend it doesn't exist. I would welcome a change of fortune at Ferrari, but it doesn't seem to come.
No driver develops a car .They give feedback some more ,others less.Some here should talk with some F1 engineers.. some myths would be blasted very fast.
No, don't close it ,it is too funny.My collegues and me loughed so hard about some posts here especially before it was cleaned up by the (new) moderatores.
And everybody that looks a little bit deeper how this success was achieved and doubts that it is only because of the driver is made a detractor/hater at the same time. Works both ways... Nobody denies Lewis´ success as this is obvious but there is a difference between beeing successfull and being great (not to mention GOAT). I know a lot of very successfull people who are NOT the best in what they do, a lot is down to luck and circumstances. Just look at Hamilton/Alonso: if Alonso was running out of contract at the very same time as Lewis did and Lauda would have approached Alonso instead of Lewis the spaniard would be 6x champion and Lewis still only once... And before you say "there is a reason why Mercedes wanted Lewis and not Alonso" apart from the fact that Alonso was simply not available, do you really think that Alonso would have not been able to do the job at Mercedes given the dominance of the car in the first hybrid years? So part of Lewis success is simply that he was available and willing to leave McLaren when Schumacher called it a day...if that did not happen I doubt that we would even talk about Lewis anymore other than him being frustrated at McLaren....
These F1 engineers we should talk to - are they the same contacts who told you about the great 2007 open secret ? Best, Sammy
One of the reasons for Hamilton success is that he has managed his career brilliantly. It's not as simple as that, when you see how Alonso constantly shot himself in the foot during his time in F1. Being a successful F1 driver is a whole package, and not just good driving skills. Hamilton has it, Alonso hasn't. Hamilton is wanted; Alonso isn't not. Hamilton is still on the way up; Alonso is on the way out. It's not by chance that Hamilton was chosen by Mercedes. It wasn't only a matter of availability. I know that you (and a few others) have made your goal in life to dismiss Hamilton's achievements as irrelevent and that you never miss an occasion to undermine his success as somehow no deserving praise. No, Hamilton didn't drive a Minardi like Alonso, or Webber. He didn't drive a Jordan like Schumacher either. He didn't have to. Should he be blamed for that? Yes, he immediatly had a compettive car Under him when he came to F1. Yes, he always had the best Equipment in lower categories. Do you think it was by luck? Don't you think he convinced his backers and sponsors very early on in his career? When he was given a chance, he Grabbed it and rewarded his backers by showing great maturity. That's the way he built up his career and became the success he is. You may make fun of him for all you want, but Hamilton has shown a degree of professionalism rarely seen in F1.
Seriously, this is not a base to have ANY discussion with you , not to mention a "civilized" one as you requested not long ago. All you can do is belittling other peoples opinion... I was not the one coming back here with a fake account while being banned so obviously this is far more important to you than it is to me...and if you really think that "one of my goals in life" has anything to do with F1 (not even shooting F1 ) you do not know anything about me despite you obviously (like so many times) have made your mind a long time ago. And for the rest of your post and many others (including the Le Mans post) you should ask yourself: if I belittle Lewis´achievements what are you doing with Alonsos???
I like it BTW I'd say its damn easier singing Hamiltons praises and achievements, rather than knocking them ...especially after watching this last race ..
You mean things like "life goals"??? You want to tell me that it is Lewis´achievement and brilliant career management that he and Alonso met a guy at the hayday of his arrogance at McLaren who thought it was a great idea to promote his protegee at all costs even if that meant loosing TWO championships? Alonso might have not made the best moves in his career since but how the hell should he have known what to expect of Ron??? Ron who thought he needed to show the world that he was not only running the best team as a leader but that he finds talents better than enyone else and unlike building up his protegee others do he needed to force it in the first season with the result of Lewis doing the expected Rookie mistakes at the end... Lewis is never shy of requesting "respect" for being a multiple WDC but where was his respect towards Fernando breaking team orders? It is only the long beginning of him ignoring team orders while requesting some if it fits him and obviously he was lucky enough to find two persons (Ron and Toto) that let him get away with it. Once again a good example how Lewis praises water while drinking wine. But I guess those kind of games together with Ron are what you think is "great career management"...
What if this, what if that, what ifs are useless. What if Senna never died and won 4 more championships, leaving Schumacher with only 3, and never mentioned as a great? All you can do is dominate during your time, as Senna, Schumacher and now Hamilton is doing
Difference: put Alonso in the current Mercedes and Mercedes would still dominate...Put anyone else into the 1996 Ferrari and I doubt that Ferrari would have won 2000-2004 all titles...
If you want to play that game, Put Senna in either of those Ferrari's and nobody may have known who Schumacher is
Debatable whether Senna would have had the stamina and enthusiasm to turn the dog of 1996 into a winner over 4 years...Unlike your poster boy Michael did not jump into a car that was winning races... As to speak: watch the list of races in 1996 and look how many DNF are in the list of all the cars... Now imagine what this would do to the stats of Lewis when you guys already complain about a single DNF...
The same old boring arguments from the same elton fans..... Lewis this, Lewis that, life is all about Lewis..... ****ing hell, you must lead very boring lives to care so much that pro-ferrari F1 fans don’t like your favourite driver.... it’s pretty sad that despite hundreds of pages of posts designed, presumably, to convince nice us all that he is the second coming of Christ, that none of us have changed our minds about him, and in fact, the more you have argued, the less likely you have made it that we could ever even think about changing our minds. Let’s break it down one last time 1- elton is a fast driver 2- elton is one of five drivers on the grid that are at the very top of F1 today 3- elton drives the best car in f1 since 2014, a car guaranteed a title from 2014-2018, even if they were slow starters in 2017 and 2018 (due to the loss of their best development driver, Nico Rosberg ironically) 4- elton has a really horrific personality 5- elton is like marmite, he is hated by more than he is liked in the paddock 6- elton has the dress sense of a petulant toddler 7- elton has the modesty of a west coast rapper 8- elton has been the benefactor of both of his teams using his MO as the sports first black champion to promote him as an additional factor to him being one of the fastest drivers, making him marketable and as a result, a common sense option for number one driver at McLaren and then Mercedes 9- elton did not beat Alonso, Rom Dennis beat Alonso by undermining his tenure at the team in 2007 for personal reasons, promoting his charge Elton over the man pursued the previous year as number one, only to dishonour the contract and create a negative vibe on that side of the garage 10- elton is a proven liar, proven to have lied to the stewards on track on more than one occassion to further his career. 11- in a great car, elton has proven himself one of the best five drivers, and hence has performed exactly as that top five should by winning races and titles in the car. 12- in an also-ran car, elton has proven he cannot affect the result of the car (ie get a higher placed finish than should ordinarily be obtained in that car) as demonstrated by his performances 2009 to 2012/13 whatever at McLaren, where he struggled to beat his teammates regardless of his supposedly being a fantastic driver. No one ever claimed jenson button was an f1 heavyweight but elton barely outperformed him, resorting to publishing team data on twitter and the like in a vain attempt to gain the advantage over jenson 12a- a true great driver, ala Michael or Senna, makes even a bad car dance, Michael winning in 1996 etc, and such as Alonso getting wins in the ferrari that his teammate drivers were lucky to be within half a minute of him at the end of a race, despite his car being third or fourth best at times 14- Elton’s ridiculous claims that he is some kind of ghetto child, and that he was brought up in some incarnation of a rap song life, is ********. He lived in a middle class part of Stevenage, and his father, an IT consultant on five times the average wage for the area, paid towards his racing just like many other dads until McLaren started picking up his bills as a fast protege that Ron thought he could mold into a champion - Ron was right, he was able to make the boy a champion 15- there is so much more, but I think I’ve proved why I, and many others and not just on fchat, think elton SUCKS
I don’t necessarily think it was Schumacher’s unilateral decision to call it a day at Mercedes. His commitment to the program was for three years. Near the end of his Mercedes stint, I seem to recall some statement attributed to him that he thought it the time to hang up his helmet. But I also remember other chatter from several reliable sources that Mercedes-AMG simply wanted to go in another direction.
Really? Where was that published as fact? Love to read about It. From what I heard, Nico won the title totally at odds with his management that were actively trying to reverse the position and give elton the win, as per the previous two years. Nico decided that he was going to put everything he had into winning the title, and then to retire victorious over the guy people like yourself claim is unbeatable.... he did it having had two years of bias and torment from those at merc backing elton against him, and retired champion, his dream all along. He had nothing more to prove. In fact, the fact that Elton’s fans are so Butthurt by it shows his decision was correct. He never got the respect he deserved from anyone at the team, but they have to respect the record books that he beat elton in the same car with the exact same chances and resources, and against the will of the team.......that makes him stronger than elton mentally (no surprise, my two year old daughter is more mature!) It also explains why they hired bottles next, a second tier driver that didn’t exactly dominate massa in his twilight years and fading powers, doing a year by year contract to prevent him doing what Nico did and showing that elton is not the total package his fans claim
So, now you are using an other angle to dismiss Hamilton's achievement; it's Ron Dennis who engineered everything. Why do you think Dennis let his 2 drivers fight it out? Probably because he saw from the outset better prospect in Hamilton than in Alonso. Alonso has a personality that grates people, and probably Dennis resented the fact that he thought he was entitled to Number One status on the strength of 2 WDCs. Also, Dennis may have chosen to give his Young driver a fair crack of the whip, rather han having him as a tail gunner. Whatever the reason, it was good for the sport, certainly detrimental to McLaren, humiliating for Alonso, but encouraging for Hamilton. In not so many words, you accuse Hamilton of having received a fair treatment. Just too bad ... I often accused Dennis of having badly treated Young drivers (Perez and Magnussen, for example), but in the case of Hamilton, he was right. BTW, Frank Williams in the past also lost championships because he wouldn't give team orders. Hamilton asserted himself as the leader at McLaren, and was head-hunted by Mercedes to become one of the greatest drivers of his era.. Having betrayed several teams, and created chaos in others, your hero Alonso found himself unwanted and in a dead end. I know who conducted himself better, who achieved more, and whose career ended miserably. When Alonso re-joined McLaren, I predicted he would never win a GP again: I have been fully vindicated.
