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  1. Vintage12

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    #1 Vintage12, Apr 10, 2017
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    Records on the F355 tell me it's time for a major service. While it's only been 2,500 miles it's approaching 5 years since the last belt change - I know, I need to get out more. So I could take it to the dealer and have them do it for me, or use a well respected indy that serviced my 550. However, I see many of you doing this successfully yourselves and that's inspiring me to consider taking the project on myself. Talk me in/out of it.

    Thought I would take a quick exploratory peek, so up on the lift. Some dirt and oil but not terrible. Now it's just those 6 bolts at the front each side and ...
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  2. Vintage12

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  3. Vintage12

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    #3 Vintage12, Apr 10, 2017
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    Tracing that leak and wondering if it's up at the cam seals, no easy way to tell. The accessory belts look to be in decent shape though.
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  4. ernie

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    Do the engine out yourself. You'll learn a TON, and won't be afraid of the car ever again.
     
  5. emac

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    I have a similar leak. I think it was a factory option for anti-corrosion. Especially important in cars that sit between majors.
     
  6. WATSON

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    Sounds like you have a relationship with your local indy shop. Give it a go.

    If you get in too deep, they can always step in and finish it up. :)

    As Ernie states, you will learn a lot about the car and take away that magical maintenance shroud all non believers are afraid of ;)
     
  7. Dave rocks

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    Feel around the corners of the CAM covers - my bet is that is the leak location ;)
     
  8. emac

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    I am a few years from doing a major. So long as Fchat is still going strong, I will make it my winter project.
     
  9. AceMaster

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    This
     
  10. tres55

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    If you have the space and time, do it yourself.

    Mine's in the shop right now having it done by a tr512 on FChat. Next time around I'll tackle it myself probably.
     
  11. Vintage12

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    #11 Vintage12, Apr 10, 2017
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    All positives so far.

    Dave, I will check the cam covers in the morning. How goes your production line on the engine support trolley - was just looking at those, very nice. Perhaps I will be one of your first customers.

    Stop press - just found this, something missing perhaps? Certainly adds more points in favor of the DIY service. I won't say who did the last major but it was a bill of $15K. Makes you think.
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  12. Dave rocks

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    Colin,

    We have been so busy that I've not had time to build any stands. Remember, drawing download is free. I'll see what the next month brings
     
  13. yelcab

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    First, you cannot hold the last mechanic responsible for a missing exhaust nut, five years after the service.

    Second, do it yourself, so next time you see a missing nut, you can blame yourself.
     
  14. Nader

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    I'd be suspicious if the prior shop at $15K was the last to lay hands on the manifolds. Really odd for exhaust nuts to just work their way off within 2500 miles. No exhaust ticking/hissing noises or rattling? Also strange that the flange has no difference in color where the nut should have seated. Like it's been missing a while. Hmm...
     
  15. Vintage12

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    #15 Vintage12, Apr 11, 2017
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    Thanks for the tip Dave. The LH bank cam cover looks to be the problem area, I ran my fingers along the lower gasket edge and sure enough some light oil deposits, you can even see a glisten top left in the pic. The RH bank seems ok. Looks like these could be done easily enough with engine in situ but I may as well get everything done together with the major. I think I'll also get those cam covers re-powder coated.

    Also, no problem on the stand. Thanks for contributing the drawings, very helpful.

    No rattles or noises except for the obvious. In this case, perhaps the MS Racing exhaust and Hyperflow cats are drowning everything out in a good way.

    I've started looking at the service kits, seems possible to find one under $1,000 but I'm tempted by the Ricambi kit which seems to have some silicone hose replacements and OEM parts. I'm more interested in the highest quality solution if there are recommendations.
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  16. Dave rocks

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    I guess I won the bet :D

    Those are not powder coated - they are wrinkle paint and we are working on getting the proper materials to offer this service but not sure when we will have it up and running.

    You are welcome. We will build some - hopefully later this year.
     
  17. flat_plane_eddie

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    Since you're even considering doing it yourself that tells me you're somewhat mechanically inclined. Ultimately, you'll do a better/more detailed job than anyone else so I also say go for it.
     
  18. Robbe

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    If you plan to sell the car within 3 years, let your indie do it. Otherwise the potential buyers will always be weary.
    If you plan to keep it, first read into the subject. There is a lot to be found over here, helped me through my major. Make sure you make lists of what has to be disconnected , and be sure to check those when done. Otherwise a small mistake is made easily.
    But in the end it indeed are just 20 bolts...
    And it gives huge satisfaction if you can rectify previous mistakes of others, like that missing nut...
     
  19. Vintage12

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    #19 Vintage12, Apr 11, 2017
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    Robbe, You've identified my biggest concern. Fortunately (or unfortunately) this F355 is a near show car quality with extensive documented records that part of me is wanting to maintain (with the right stamps). Not that I'm looking for a sale, just protecting the investment.

    I'm confident in my own work, have the engineering background and a meticulous approach to these kind of things - but who is to know that. The knowledge and support in these forums is especially helpful. Direct neighbor is a retired race driver and mechanic. Indy is a phone call away.

    I've come up with another idea if my indy will play. Basically, I will do all the work and detail the engine for their inspection. I'll take the engine to them and they can go over it and verify everything is good, cam timing, staeger the belts, etc etc. I'll re-install the engine and have them do a second inspection. Obviously I will fund those inspections and not expect anything further unless there is a correction. I get the extra peace of mind, my detail documentation and some supporting documents the major was done correctly from a certified Ferrari mechanic.

    Now it's 2020, my circumstances change and your a buyer. Feel good or no, move on to another one?
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  20. flat_plane_eddie

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    If that's a concern then just have them do everything. You're only saving what, 1-2k by dropping and installing the engine yourself? Seems like you have a few other cars in the garage, I'm sure they'll need something so there's your hands getting dirty :D
     
  21. Dave rocks

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    #21 Dave rocks, Apr 11, 2017
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    Colin - beautiful garage.

    I like your plan - better yet - ask your tech to come over (at a fee) to your place to check things out. Personally, I would not worry about the resale - just document your work.

    Attached is a sample report I use for my service work I do.
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  22. taz355

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    Save the money do it yourself. Document the heck out of it and when its time to sell it will depend on the buyer.

    You can allways factor in a new service.

    I dont know about others but for me as a buyer ai would look the mechanicals over the most and usually you can tell if they took car or not.

    A lot of people put a great deal amount into how the car looks I tend to look at mechanicals more and cosmetics a little less.

    Thats just me and like I said depends on the buyer.

    The longer I own it the less people I trust to do the work. Only a few trusted shops and people I can count on 1 hand so far.
     

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