The Massa Sucks Thread *OF COURSE THERE ARE SPOILERS*

You know my answer.

I don't get it how people continue to believe that keeping the guy is a lesser risk.

A lesser risk to what? His track record is miserable. Already we're at the situation where Alonso is running away with twice the points.

As for alternatives: contracts in F1 are meaningless particularly when Ferrari is calling and the few drivers they can't get, aren't #2 anyway

 

Phil must have a box of rather juicy negatives or whatever the E-quivalent is.

 

A cloud burst?

 

An iCloud burst.

 

Indeed he does:

SPEEDWEEK Formel 1 - Felipe Massa: Neuer Ferrari-Vertrag für 2014

Dumbenicali is already talking about a new contract for Massa for 2014.

The insanity continues.

 

It's nice to know that one tradition is preserved from the old days.

 

Hopefully just an effort to prop up Massacre's motivation.
Carrot AND stick to motivate this boy.

Talk is one thing.....

 

Say it ain't so...

 

Alonso is hardly ‘running away’ with the points. Massa is never allowed to pass him on track, he’s given far worse pit stop strategy, and despite all of that, here are the facts:

Webber 69 Vettel 132 : Webber 52%
Massa 49 Alonso 96 : Massa 51%
Grosjean 26 Raikkonen 88 : Grosjean 29%
Rosberg 57 Hamilton 77 : Rosberg 74%
Sutil 17 Di Resta 34 : Sutil 50%
Perez 12 Button 25: 48%

The % shows how much points relative to the ‘1st’ driver the 2nd driver has. The only “2nd” driver that beats Massa is Rosberg.

Keep in mind that Ferrari is the team who punishes the 2nd driver the most.

The only thing Alonso is great at is self-PR. Every race he will go on about how he hauled an apparent ‘dog’ of a car across the finish line, and then his fans lap it up.

I do agree its time for Massa to quit, and only because then if Ferrari had the temerity to put a Hulkenberg, Rosberg, Hamilton or Vettel in the car next to Alonso, we can see him handily spanked, and that would end all the rose-tinted glasses going on about how he is the best driver on the grid. Best PR maybe. Best driver, certainly not.

 

It is stunning how Dumbenicali applauds Massa for his race performance. Well hello! After he ruined his qualifying he was just doing what is normal: drive a top car through the back markers

A stellar performance would have been ending up behind Alonso. Kinda like Vettels drive in Abu Dhabi.

 

You probably thought the F2012 was a good car.

Drugs are bad.

No kidding. I'm sure anyone would make lots of passes in the race with a fast car after they totally screw themselves in qualifying.

 

+ 1000000000000000 finally! Alonzo is not Seb.

 

Back this statement up with actual evidence!

Show us the interviews and the articles where he makes these statements after every race!

I think you have Alonso mixed up with Nigel Mansell somehow!

 

I'll take a boaster over a whinger any day.

 

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I better keep quiet on this one.

Beyond saying Fred was, arguably, something of a diva in his younger years. Like Mansell.

Difference, IMESHO, is that Fred's grown up. NM never did.

Cheers,
Ian

 

If there was a World Championship for whingers, Nigel Mansell would be untouchable!

(Now there was a driver who regularly claimed that he practically had to carry the car round the circuit in order to get a result!).



As for Massa, Monaco and Montreal didn't turn out to be his best weekends but to be fair to him, he kept on battling right to the end of the race in Canada, doing plenty of overtaking, and picked off Kimi right at the end.

In races past when things haven't gone well for him, Massa has been guilty of just tootling around the track and not making any effort to overtake anybody, so there are signs of improvements there.

Whether the fans like it or not, this is Alonso's team now and Ferrari are going to do whatever it takes to make sure he's happy. If that means keeping Massa then that's what's going to happen!

Having said that, Alonso and Mark Webber are pretty good mates and if the rumours are true about him exiting Red Bull at the end of the season, it could be an option for Ferrari if Massa keeps having bad weekends!

 

Oh, now I get it:

Massa has fotos of Alonso.

 

He fought valiantly to get to where he would have been if he didn't screw up in Q.

 

Unfortunately the only way of getting an accurate appraisal of the car's ability is to compare it to the results of his team-mate.
In which case it looks like he's giving it the whip till its heart explodes.
Unlike the stroll in the park for Flip.

 

Too bad Dumbenicali doesn't get that.

 

There have to be compromising photos somewhere.

 

Do you think Alonso and Mark Webber would still be good mates if Webber had to yield to Alonso? I think Alonso would quietly veto Webber from joining Ferrari in order to avoid such a test.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

Was obvious wasn't it ?

Have you noticed Fred avoiding donkeys of late ?

 

I think Webber and Fred would get along very well, they respect each other .... something that has been lost at RB.

But, it would make it interesting in qualifying, Mark does normally do well there and Fred doesn't .... Fred is a better racer and they can both race each other without it ending in tears

 

Could still be completely different when they're actually on the same team.