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The Michael Schumacher Career/Injury/Recovery Thread

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  1. Ferraripilot

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    allegedly. Just like everything else, never confirmed
     
  2. tifosi12

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    Not true.
     
  3. Ferraripilot

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    BS. Sources I saw in the day advised he would not have made it had it not been for his helmet:

    "We cannot predict the future for Michael Schumacher," chief anesthesiologist Jean-Francois Payen told reporters Monday, according to The Associated Press. "He is in a critical state in terms of cerebral resuscitation. ... We are working hour by hour."

    Michael Schumacher's incident is a sobering example of how quickly and unpredictably the winter sport can go wrong. According to CNN, Michael Schumacher, 44, fell and struck his head when he was skiing at the Meribel resort. Schumacher was regarded as a very strong skier and was wearing a helmet when he was skiing. First responders were able to reach Schumacher within minutes. A helicopter was also dispatched to airlift him to a nearby hospital. According to Grenoble hospital doctors, Schumacher would not have made it to the hospital if he had not worn a helmet.


    "He fell at 11:07am, whilst off piste in Meribel. He was wearing a helmet and hit a rock. The emergency services arrived quickly at 11:15am..."

    Gernigon-Lecomte was slightly more circumspect in a separate interview with Reuters. "It seems that he has suffered a head trauma, but I would not say how serious it is,” he said. “He was conscious but very agitated while being taken to hospital."
     
  4. tifosi12

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    You can believe what you want, fact is that the helicopter had to make an unplanned landing to resuscitate MS on the way to the hospital. It was widely covered in the news at the time.

    Was it confirmed by the official speakers? No, thanks to the non-update-policy by the family. Then again they didn't confirm any of the doctor's findings who worked on MS after his motorcycle accident, which made this accident worse.
     
  5. william

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    It was reported at the time that the cranial trauma suffered by Schumacher was caused by the camera stem (support) fixed to his helmet penetrating his skull during his fall on the rock.

    I don't know if sky helmets are the same as motor racing or motorcycling helmets (mountain climbing helmets are not for example), but following this accident, the practice for skiers to fix camera to their helmets was questioned.

    So one can imagine the extend of the damage, if this is correct.

    It's much more than severe concussion that happens in massive deceleration, where the brain actually hits the skull or is brutally twisted inside it.
     
  6. NeuroBeaker

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    I know I'm being a little pedantic, but death is rather permanent.

    The cessation of respiratory, circulatory, and brain activity (including the brain stem) is not the same thing as having died unless these conditions are irreversible. By very definition, a dead person cannot be brought back to any condition where respiration, heart beat, and brain activity are restored to any degree. As Michael Schumacher is deemed alive now, he cannot be said to have died on the helicopter - at least, not in medical terms. If he had to be resuscitated during an unplanned landing, I would say he was very close to death but did not die.

    I would accept that death of parts of his brain occurred during the helicopter journey and that this may have fundamentally changed who he is. Therefore, the personality people knew could be said to have died if you are taking about that aspect alone.

    All the best,
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  7. Ferraripilot

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    This was my point. He would not be alive (if that's what we want to call it) if he was at some time totally gone, which is what was implied. And resort director Gernigon-Lecomte would certain not state he was conscious in his quote, "He was shocked, a little rattled, but conscious"
     
  8. maulaf

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    More than anywhere else your words of reason are so much needed in this thread.
    This is such a healthy change to the again and again upflaring post based on layman speculation.
     
  9. tifosi12

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    Yes of course. Once the arteries collapse due to lack of blood flow the game is over. Obviously that didn't happen in this case. OTOH an emergency flight to the hospital does not get interrupted if it is not for a serious cause. I'm guessing they lost his pulse, landed and zapped him to get his heart pumping again. So the more correct/precise term would be he lost some of his vital signs and that's why they had to interrupt the flight.

    Didn't realize posts on FChat need to meet the requirements of the AJM. ;)
     
  10. Drive550PFB

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    Why do you think they landed to hit him with the paddles? Was there some worry that a stray electric charge may cause some instruments/systems to fail on the helicopter? I don't see why he couldn't be shocked in the air while on route to the hospital. I guess this is a helicopter question more than anything else.
     
  11. tifosi12

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    I was wondering that too. Seems odd. What other life saving procedure is there that can be done in a chopper and requires a stable level? Paddles was the only thing that came to my mind that would sorta fit. Dunno.
     
  12. Andrew D.

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    Andrew, what fundamentally changed the outcome was: Severe injury to both hemishperes in a brain-older man
    This is a near fatal injury in most; Children ,very young, have a better prognosis. On top of this witnessed cardiac arrest and resuscitation,not likety to add too much to the outcome.I have seen many cases like this in chronic hospitals. They plateau in a year and then slowly regress as end organs slowly fail. That he is living a brain stem existence now is only due to around the clock intensive care and endless finances;changing positions, suctioning, treating infection, changing catheters, changing diapers execising muscles passively. Is this life?.... Andy.
     
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    thanks to his family, he has been completely forgotten and is sinking into oblivion. Worst end ever.
     
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  14. I think you're, nay, I know you're, mistaken. Those that knew of him haven't forgotten, and, those that didn't, aren't.
    Here in the 'States, if you asked someone in his heyday, that wasn't a race fan, if they knew who he was, the answer was inevitably no.
     
  15. Riz1

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    Have not heard much about his condition. Miss seeing him around Ferraris and the V10 NA days. Any solid news about his current condition?
     
  16. sammysaber

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    No legitimate news - we're all hoping for some good news in the near future.

    Best,
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  17. NEP

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    Michael Schumacher could move to America


    Michael Schumacher could be set to relocate to the United States.

    Almost nothing is known about the extent of the F1 legend's brain injuries, following his skiing fall in France in late 2013.

    Now 48, the former Ferrari and Mercedes driver is reportedly supported by a team of health professionals as he recuperates in total secrecy at his estate near Lake Geneva in Switzerland.

    But the German magazine Bravo reports that with Schumacher's condition still "weak", the German's wife Corinna has reached out for help from the US.

    The report said Schumacher could be transferred to Dallas, Texas, where he already owns a cattle farm.

    There, a brain injury specialist called Mark Weeks has a clinic that could be a "new hope" for the Schumacher family, Bravo claims.

    "We have extensive experience with trauma patients," Meeks is quoted as saying. "There is probably no clinic in Europe that handles as many cases as we do."
     
  18. tifosi12

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    Bravo magazine? Really?

    That's some junk magazine for teenagers.
     
  19. 'Never heard of it. But does that make it not so? The Enquirer is junk too, but much of it is truth.... :shrug:
     
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  20. tifosi12

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    True

    I just find it super odd for Bravo to even talk about this story. All they care about is Justin Bieber and which hue of pink suits one's iPhone best.
     
  21. P.Singhof

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    Yes, not really a source I would trust on that story....Let´s wait and see how many others simply take over the story because it is from a "german source"...
     
  22. I know nothing of "Bravo", so I'm curious why they'd just make up this tidbit? What have they to gain?
     
  23. TheBigEasy

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    This is the saddest thread on the history of FerrariChat. :(
     
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  24. tifosi12

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    Good question. The whole story so does not fit their usual coverage of teenie stuff. Until a real motorsports magazine/source reports about it, I would leave it as speculation.

    If true I also wonder whether aside from the medical side the costs are a factor? The 24x7 healthcare treatment he gets in Switzerland must be costing astronomical amounts of $.
     
  25. jgonzalesm6

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    Other articles have printed the same thing....quoting the "Bravo" story. Yeah, I don't know this Bravo magazine.:confused:
     

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