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"The Most Iconic Ferrari in the World."

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  1. miurasv

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    #1 miurasv, Jan 30, 2013
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    The first of the 2 great ex Rob Walker/Stirling Moss Ferrari 250GT SWB Berlinetta Competiziones, #2119GT.

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    I wonder who the lucky new owner is?
     
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    What a great video Steve! A real joy to watch and I must say DK Engineering has some very nice clips on their website. Thanks for posting this great video! Edmond
     
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    #4 miurasv, Jan 30, 2013
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    Yes, it's very clever how DK Engineering in their video entwined the original British Pathe sound and footage of the 1960 Goodwood TT to highlight how Stirling listened to the live coverage of the event on the radio in the car during the race.

    Original footage: http://www.britishpathe.com/video/stirling-on-top/query/stirling+moss
     
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    #6 miurasv, Feb 5, 2013
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    Also reported by the Daily Mail.

    See here: Classic Ferrari raced to victory by Stirling Moss becomes most expensive car sold in Britain after going for £7MILLION | Mail Online

    A bit of mis info in the article that doesn't matter at all really. It was 250 GT SWB Berlinetta Competizione #2417GT, not #2119GT that came second at the 1961 Goodwood TT driven by Mike Parkes. The 3rd and 4th pictures in the DM article are of 250 GT SWB Berlinetta #2735GT.

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    I can't help but chuckle every time I see the start of this race. Notice how Colin Davis (a Brit) runs up to the right side of (left-hand-drive) 1875 GT, and then has to run around the car to enter on the correct side. :)
     
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    Which car is the one that was featured in Octane magazine, as well as a few other titles, with Sir Stirling behind the wheel a year or two ago? Not this car, correct? I had read it was rebodied in period by Drogo, then brought back to SWB specs by Classiche, with a new engine block and all...

    If this is a different car (which I understand it is) then it certainly is THE SWB to own. New buyer should certainly be happy. I think it's the most beautiful Ferrari ever made, even prettier than the GTO or P4... Perhaps only matched by 250 0515GT or a pontoon fender 250TR...
     
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    That would be the fabulous 1961 #2735GT. There was an article in Motor Sport Magazine about it in 2011. Was there one in Octane recently too?

    See here: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-thru-365-gtc4-sponsored-redline-restorations/383058-best-gt-car-world-stirling-moss-250-gt-swb-berlinetta-competizione-2735gt.html
     
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    The price paid was £10 million not > £7 million as reported????
     
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    I meant Motor Sport. I used to buy both at the time, but since I've moved back home to Brazil only my subscription to Motor Sport continued...
     
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    Price was not £10,000,000.

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    Well you should know ! Highly envious.........Promise you'll drop by the garage tomorrow with it.........might buy you lunch if I get a drive......
     
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    #16 intrepidcva11, Feb 6, 2013
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    Steve, which of these is the SWB that Stirling and Graham Hill raced for Rob Walker in the '61 24 Heures du Mans? That is the only le Mans I ever actually attended, doing graduate law studies in Paris at the time and drove down with my below, beloved, not quite yet fiancee.
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    #17 miurasv, Feb 6, 2013
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    Your beloved, not quite yet fiancee was very beautiful, if you don't mind my saying. It was #2735GT that was raced by Stirling Moss and Graham Hill at Le Mans, 1961. Somebody with knowledge of the race sent me some very interesting information about the car in the race.

    Read all about #2735GT here: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-thru-365-gtc4-sponsored-redline-restorations/383058-best-gt-car-world-stirling-moss-250-gt-swb-berlinetta-competizione-2735gt.html

    It must have been great to have been at Le Mans in 1961. Here is the information I was sent regarding #2735GT at Le Mans, '61.

    "In 1961 it was simply (with Moss behind the wheel) the fastest GT car in the world and recognised as such.

    Though Moss won 5 ex 6 of all his races in 2735, perhaps his greatest effort was at La Sarthe, (where he DNF’d for the only time) in 2735 - because at Le Mans, it was running a full 4 laps ahead of 2689 after 9 hours and 3rd OA which was amazing so early in the race. Moss was ‘ding-donging’ with (but ahead of) Roy Salvadori and Jim Clark, each in their DBR1s, which after all were pure prototypes driven by all time greats. Also at one stage when he took 3rd place, he was ahead of Parkes and Mairesse in their works TR61. A GT car simply should not live with a prototype, and definitely not with ones with the calibre of the aforementioned drivers. The point is that 2735 was running 3rd on merit and not just because the better cars had dropped out of the running, which is normally why GT cars get promoted up the rankings. That made it so special and if you were to read the Motor Racing Comics of the time when they reported on Le Mans, they were all in real awe of Moss’ and G. Hill’s achievements in 2735."
     
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    I adore the 250GT SWB and in particular the Walker cars....

    But "Most Iconic Ferrari" ? No way.

    A red 308GTS - THAT is the most iconic Ferrari, courtesy of one Thomas Magnum.

    For Ferrari nuts and folks who really are into the history of the marque - the Walker SWB may be tops. But the vast majority of people out there have no idea what this is. So if your defining "Iconic" as meaning the image or model most associated by the largest number of people with the brand "Ferrari" - its a red 308GTS.


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    I GUARANTEE the Testarossa adorned more walls & is more recognized World wide than a 308GTS could ever dream of being!!!...Mark
     
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    #20 miurasv, Feb 6, 2013
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    It's a matter of interpretation and I guess that DK Engineering are using the word "iconic" to mean uncritically adored, revered and admired rather than most famous or well known Ferrari.

    If you google "iconic cars" this comes up in the results: http://gearpatrol.com/2011/12/02/feature-here-to-eternity-the-50-most-iconic-cars-in-motoring-history/

    Also referred to as "iconic" here: http://www.complex.com/rides/2013/02/iconic-ferrari-250-gt-raced-by-stirling-moss-most-expensive-car-ever-sold-in-britain
     
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    Well, I didn't do too bad, I own "3" of the cars listed...Mark
     
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    Totally disagree.
     
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    Agree - somebody threw out "The Most Iconic" label on this SWB to hype the car for a high-dollar payday. Love how the British Press and DK Engineering are so-easily manipulated by marketing hype and their own hubris to help somebody sell a car at auction. It isn't even RED for Chrissakes! Iconic? For a Ferrari? Please. More people know who Thomas Magnum is than Stirling Moss - I'm not saying it's 'right'. I'm just saying what's true.
     
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    I don't think a 308 GTS, even one driven by Tom Selleck as Magnum is going to fetch $11 million US (>£7M) any time soon. 2119GT was not sold at auction, but in a private sale. The DK Engineering video was released after the sale so there was no need for any "marketing hype" or manipulation by or of the press whatsoever. Just saying what's true. :)
     
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    Who's Thomas Magnum ?
     

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