The (one and only) '0846' Debate Thread

That pic is a wooden buck for an aluminum hood, fibreglass parts use a reverse mold you fill with the polyester fibres.

sure looks like a P4 hood buck to me

 

While I can not say what it IS, I know that from what I've seen of other WOODEN bucks, it has no substance compared to them. It has no thickness. If somebody could please post some photos of KNOWN wooden bucks, they are very elaborate with many pieces of wood criss crossing the span of the curved portions of the body. That piece of P3/4/whatever bodywork stacked on top of the Boxer looks absolutely nothing like other wooden bucks that have been posted here previously. A wooden buck has to have enough substance to withstand the hammering that is required to bend the aluminum.

Here is the photo of the" unknown front end on top of a Boxer" compared with a photo of another P4 fiberglass front end that was listed on E-bay a while back and posted by Paul P4Replica in this thread:
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?p=134916020#post134916020

As you can see, the "unknown" front end certainly looks like the P4 fiberglass parts that were sold on E-bay. The headlight area is not cut out on the factory pieces, but I believe that many fiberglass parts are not complete when popped out of the mold.

Just some photographic food for thought. I believe this photo showed up earlier in the Great Debate when it was discussed whether or not the factory utilized fiberglass body parts on the P4s that were raced at LeMans. I don't think anything was every proven or disproven, but the mystery photo of the apparent P4 front end sitting on top of a Boxer at the factory helped add fuel to the debate.
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Dale is the perfect water boy candidate!

I on the other hand have a greater aspirations.... come on Jim, dont you REALLY want to see that beast flogged in anger on the track?!?!?!?! I have the racing license and freedom to travel and in over a decade of beating cars up around racetracks have only smashed one and it wasnt that bad. Well, ok, so it was smashed pretty bad but it did get fixed.

So when your ready to put a hot young shoe in the seat and run that puppy at the front... let me know! Errrrrrrrr not so young and perhaps mid pack but still willing....



Terry

 

Ditto.

 

This year 5 FChatters are joining me. We'll snap some pics...
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Giorgio Nada is a great publisher, "Red Arrows", etc.

Looking forward to The Final Papers update on #0846.....".it's a little shiney"......LOL!

*bug splatters, road grit........watch out for low flying birds....*


"We don't need no glass barrell fuses!" That cloth braid wire hasn't been seen in awhile as well, maybe some old lighting fixtures I've dealt with.....I have white and black, if it matters!

 

Another interesting point about that pic is Ferrari clearly didn't have a designated old parts dismantler destroyer, they just fell apart out back by the dumpster and pallets, probably what happened to a few wrecked old "worthless" race cars (0846) until someone might have come by and sneaked or borrowed them away at the right opportunity. after all why let them rot away to nothing, another mans trash is is anothers treasure as they say.

 

Yea, we get $3 each for those PALLETS too!

 

..wooden buck.
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Staying on track that is why I included that photo in the 0846 papers along with Dregni and Mark Wallace's comments about how the factory dealt with damaged race car chassis and superfluous no longer needed parts and engines. The photo of Meade carting a discarded chassis and other body panel to Piper also speaks to that point.

As an aside there is NO evidence anywhere that any P3, P 3/4,412 P, or P4 EVER ran at Le Mans on the day with a fiberglass body except for fiberglass doors on the P 4's. Piper did pull a plug off of 0854's original alloy body to
make fiberglass bodies which he used after the factory had stopped racing in 67.

 

Is that piece lying on top of the other piece anything to do with a P4? No - it's for a 206S Dino.

Is it a buck? No - it's not substantial enough for a buck to shape an aluminium body section over. Is it a plug for a fibreglass body? No - that would be made out of wood/chicken wire/plaster in those days.

Ferrari would have taken a GRP mould off an existing ali nose section, then beefed it up with plywood or steel framing to hold its shape......but moulds only last for a certain number of uses; then you make a 'dummy' body section in the mould, without gel coat or pigment, fill and polish it to get it exactly smooth, and make a new mould off that.

So I believe the piece in the photo is a 'dummy' that had been used to make a new mould.

Paul M

 

IIRC,the bucks were just used as a guide,the panels were not beaten on them.
The metal was formed on a leather sack or an english wheel until it matched the buck.

 

A previous photo showed WIRE FRAMES that were used as guides or gauges. So why would they have WOODEN bucks if they were NOT using them to form the panels on, and they were NOT using them as gauges for the finished panels?
What were they used for, termite food?

 

Some probably are by now .

I think when I took the photo above,there was a plaque stating that it was not used as a wooden anvil ...there was no mention of wood eating insects local dietry habits either ,so I can't help you there..

 

C'one,

Nice picture!

Regards,

Art S.

 

Moving along...
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Here's a quiz. What is this and what does it teach us?
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It looks like a patch on the inside of an aluminum panel.

As for teaching, I'm clueless, please edjumacate me.

 

Wow jim very cool! I've been following your resto on Gt40's also and your new coachbuilt. Just a question for you though. What size are those rear wheels/tires??

 

Looks like someone was trying to hide something to me...

 

quick patch for the # light? is that a door skin?

 

Dr Stu

What material?
Hide?
Repair?
Backing Plate for something?

Best

 

Very good. Now as it's alloy what car is it off? Number light was removed after which race?

 

The wheels and tires are now proper P4 size no longer 350 Can AM.

 

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