The (one and only) '0846' Debate Thread

I think the matter is that Ferrari would like to say that the car is the real deal, but if they did so, then they would officially have to overrule their own decission from the sixties, when they decided to "write off the car"
If you read between the lines in one of the letters from Ferrari to Jim, you will see that they almost says the car is the remains of #0846, but that this is not possible since their records from the sixties say that the car was written off and the chassis plate remowed from the remains of the car! Exactly what really happened to the remains of the chassis and other parts after they were scrapped by Ferrari are beyond Ferraris control, and because of that, they won't change the records back!!!
This is of course solely my humble understanding of the matter!!!


Best regards


Carsten

 

I get the feeling that some would rather this car not exist. Wouldn't that be a terrible shame?

 

Alicia

 

Thank you
Nathan

 

You're kidding, right? lmpdesigner's question is all that matters..... Ask Napolis what that letter is really worth.

 

I think this is a great summation of the dilemma for this car. As it is impossible for Ferrari to verify this, they cannot accept it as being 0846 since they wrote it off. The people who will pay big dollars for a verified 0846 will not pay nearly as much for an unverified car. Not that Jim would ever sell it. Seems like Jim's scenario is very realistic but within that small circle of Ferrari historians the car will not be recognized, unfortunately.
BT

 

Perhaps this will help you.

For many years there has been no question that under Ferrari's "Authentication Critera" 0846 as it exist today can not be authenticated by Ferrari.

For many years there's been no question that Ferrari "Wrote off" "Scrapped"
0846 in 1967.

Ferrari has never claimed that the chassis remains of 0846 were destroyed and cease to exist or disputed that those chassis remains wound up in the car that exists today but they have stated that those remains should not have been retrieved from the trash container and used to "Rebuild" the car that exists today even though they did manufacture P4 suspension uprights for me to use to rebuild this car in 2002 after receiving 120 pages of documentation as to why I felt the chassis in this car was the repaired (Approx 80+% original) remains of 0846.

"we would like to take this opportunity to kindly request that you use
your best endeavors to have the press clearly indicate that this car has
been fully rebuilt, and as such, is not the original F0846 which has been officially scrapped [Not Destroyed] by Ferrari and not sold by the company in whole or in part."

The following document which lists chassis # 0846 five times, me as the owner since 2000, and is copyrighted by Ferrari S.p.A. speaks for itself and is exactly what it is.
Image Unavailable, Please Login
Image Unavailable, Please Login

 

All I can say is "oy vey", as it is listed as a P4 and not a P3/4

 

At least they got the date of Manufacture and the chassis # correct.

Best

 

Could this be a correct nutshell? - Ferrari manufactured 0846 as a P3, was modified to P3/4. Raced under both configurations, written off as scrapped P3/4 0846, was not sold by Ferrari. As evidenced time and again by Ferrari Classiche indisputably acknowledged to be 0846.

However authentic as it is, without having been sold by Ferrari, who, once they wrote it off, could not certify it as defined by the Classiche Program.

But, it remains as it always was, 0846.

 

"Alicia".............ROTFLMAO!


It's his wife's account............

 

ROTFLMAO indeed!!!!!

BTW, was your car invited?

 

Not to clutter this thread, but she invited ALL the Fcars from the 'other site'...LOL!

My 'Non Standard Paint' was duly noted.......see Cavallino #133...

I don't travel much....

 

I really couldn't care less what Ferrari (especially Ferrari Classiche) says about the car. All that matter is the evidence, and IMO, there is more than enough to say the car is 0846.

 

Truly, Ferrari's opinion matters not about Ferraris.....

 

The funny thing is that their recent article on the Ferrari Owners Site about the 24 of Daytona 40 years ago is filled with inaccuracies as well including, but not limited to, calling 0844 a P 3/4 (It was a 412P) and 0846 a P4 (As you noted it was a P 3/4).

Pretty Funny and a bit Sad...

 

I'm pretty much to the point of taking nothing as proof but physical evidence, or what Marcel has to say. There is far to much incorrect information out there, and not just on Ferrari.

 

Tru Dat.

 

0846 and P 4/5

http://www.***************.com/frame.php?file=event_item.php&rid=120

 

I really like the look of that car 0846! I wonder what it would look like updated?


I am just kidding, those 2 cars (if you can call them that) are awesome!

 

James,

Thanks for your explanation! In one paragraph you answered my question as well as I could ask for.

I truly was curious about the whole issue. I never spent a lot of time digging into the details of the history of 0846 and now I understand the situation. It is pretty simple actually. If I understand correctly, Ferrari took the car "out of commission", but never actually destroyed the car. Maybe they pulled the chassis plate, but given Ferrari's (and other mfg's from that era.) tendency to swap chassis plates willy-nilly that is hardly a big issue.

The chassis/car (or some significant % of it.) was "retrieved or rescued" by someone, maybe with/without Ferrari's knowledge or approval, and at some point in the future, the car was restored to driving condition, with parts from Ferrari and maybe others.

As almost all old Ferraris have some % of new/old stock, replacement parts, custom bits made by 3rd parties, etc, that doesn't, in itself, negate the authenticity of any of those cars, any less than it should negate the authenticity of 0846.

Now some of my details may be slightly off, but I think this pretty much sums it up!

So for me at least, 0846 is "0846", but Ferrari cannot "officially" acknowledge it as such because Ferrari still "owns" the original 0846 chassis plate-but not the car!

 

Thanks to Paul Skett for the heads up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y9ZAMzdTCc

 

ho visto una Bella. . . machina.
ma di bestia. . . non ne ho visto, cera solamente Fangio.


Thank Napolis

 

Thanks to you!
Image Unavailable, Please Login

 

Targa Florio 2006
Image Unavailable, Please Login
Image Unavailable, Please Login
Image Unavailable, Please Login
Image Unavailable, Please Login
Image Unavailable, Please Login