The (one and only) '0846' Debate Thread

Do you own a Ferrari?

Do you have a "garage" on Ferrari's Official Web site where they list "after extensive investigation" at their sole discretion Ferrari's that they believe that you own by their vin# under photo's that they choose of the model they feel your car falls under?

Is there some part of the vin# that you're unable to read or understand?

Is there some part of the fact that David sold this car to me, expert that he is without knowing what it really was?

As an aside Rob has clearly stated that no 0846 debate is to take place outside of the 0846 thread.

If you want to debate 0846 do it in that thread and I'll be happy to blow you into the sunshine.

 

Is the car in the Ferrari web site picture 0846? Yes or no.

You posted the Ferrari web site picture of a P4, tonight and in this thread, that's supposed to be 0846, that's clearly not 0846, and brought it up before me.

Where is the chassis number 0846 stamped on 0900 003 like it is on 0856?
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Once again.

What part of vin# 0846 is owned by me that Ferrari put on their official web site in their sole discretion are you unable to understand?

David, as Dave Powers first posted regarding David's qualifications as an expert, made perhaps the biggest "P4" mistake that has ever been made.

Hard Cheese.

 

What was the result of the poll in this thread? Wasn't it something like 32% voting in favour of your claims?

Like you've been told something similar before by Ferrari. If you're happy, Jim, I'm happy.

 

Nope.

Ferrari recognises that I own Ferrari 1967 330 P 3/4 0846.

Italian Customs recognises I own 1967 Ferrari 330 P 3/4 0846.

US Customs recognises that I own 1967 Ferrari 330 P 3/4 0846.

New York State DMV recognises that I own 1967 Ferrari 330 P 3/4 0846.

Those facts were proven in a legal proceeding and the time has long passed whereby they
can legally be challenged by anyone ever.

David sold me 0846 and I agree with Dave Powers that it was the single worse sale in the History of P cars.

 

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The legal proceeding that established once and forever that the legal identity of this car was 1967 Ferrari 330 P 3/4 0846 allowed me to affix this replacement vin tag as this car was proven legally to be 0846.

All of this happened years ago and was reported years ago in this thread.

 

Please could you answer this one question. Have Ferrari actually inspected the car that you claim is Ferrari P3/4 0846?

 

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Attorney: "Objection, your honor. Mr. Miurasv has asked an improperly formed question?"

Judge: "Objection sustained. Mr. Miurasv, please reprase your question."

Mr. Miurasv: "OK. Have Ferrari actually inspected the car that Ferrari claims is Ferrari P3/4 SN 0846? Wait, don't answer that. Withdrawn. OK, has anyone at Ferrari actually claimed that the car Ferrari calls P 3/4 SN 0846 . . . wait . . . withdrawn. Let me try this again. Your Ferrari, the P 3/4 SN 0846 . . . hang on. Let me think for a minute. Your honor, could I have a 10 minute recess?"

 

It might help if you could tell us why you are ignoring the facts here. You are entitled to your opinion that this car is not genuine, but you are not entitled to your own facts. Napolis has documented Ferrari's position on this extensively.

 

I too would be interested in the answer to this question, especially considering the detail contained in this very long thread.

 

I am not ignoring any facts. However, Jim is ignoring and has not answered my very simple question. Why is that? What facts am I ignoring?

Again the question to Jim Glickenhaus: Have Ferrari actually physically inspected the car/chassis that you claim is 1967 Ferrari 330 P3/4 #0846?

 

Asked and Answered.

Many times.

Ferrari acknowledged in writing that they performed an"extensive investigation" of this specific car and as a result of their "extensive investigation" published on an official Ferrari S.p.A webpage that Ferrari S.p.A in their sole discretion controlled the content of, that 1967 Ferrari 330 P 3/4 0846 was owned by James Glickenhaus.

Authorised Ferrari dealers ordered specific parts to help restore 1967 Ferrari 330 P 3/4 0846 from Ferrari S.p.A and Ferrari S.p.A with full knowledge of the specific car that these parts would be used for and who owned it produced those parts specifically for 0846.

An Authorised Ferrari Dealership has continuously physically inspected 1967 Ferrari 330 P 3/4 0846 with Ferrari S.p.A's full knowledge of their findings for over 10 years the latest inspection occurring less than one year ago and each and every time certified to Government Authorities their inspection as required by law including the fact that this car is in fact 1967 Ferrari 330 P 3/4 0846.

All of the above is public record as is the previous legal process that took place many years ago that resulted in the fact that legally once and forever this car is 1967 Ferrari P 3/4 0846 and that, that fact can not ever legally be challenged by anyone including Ferrari S.p.A and has been recognised by US and Italian Customs and Motor Vehicle authorities.

As Luca said:

"We threw it (0846) into the garbage and he (James Glickenhaus) found it?"

"That's funny"

 

Thank you for your comprehensive answer

 

Has the IAC/PFA accepted this car as 0846? If not, why not?

Has Jess Pourret accepted that this is 0846? Jess several years ago said to me that Luca could do whatever he wanted but that he (Jess) would never in his capacity as a Classiche consultant certify this car. Has that stance changed

Jeff

 

We all know the story about the chassis and it is not a surprise that some "experts" would be reluctant to stick their necks out on this one. As always, saying No is the easiest option but can anyone be sure ?

The idea of retrieving the pieces from the trash and putting them back together is a great and uplifting story and great credit to Jim for bringing this car back to life

 

The car has never been presented to be Classiched. None of my cars have. From the beginning there has never been any question of certifying 0846 as under Classiche's definitions it can't be. This is not new and has been clear public record for over 10 years.

It is clear public record that Ferrari scrapped this car and clear public record that Ferrari has accepted that I "retrieved" 0846's "glorious pieces" including most of 0846's original chassis from "our (their) trash bin". In writing Ferrari has clearly accepted that I have "resurrected" (Brought back from the dead) 0846. All of this is clearly and totally disclosed in this thread and has been for many years.

It is also clear public record that I initiated a legal proceeding to once and for all to establish the clear legal identify of this car as it is today as 1967 Ferrari 330 P 3/4 and that Ferrari was notified of that proceeding and giving Ferrari a duty to act, several opportunities to inspect in the US and Italy, in a timely manner, and exactly what the results of that legal proceeding and Ferrari's "Extensive Investigation" and inspections caused to happen which is that this car is legally for all time, not appeal able by anyone ever, 1967 Ferrari 330 P 3/4 0846.

Nothing is new. Years ago David proved that he did not understand the differences between a P3 chassis and a P3/4 chassis and the photo he gave Nathan Proved beyond the shadow of any doubt that this unique P 3/4 Chassis was not counterfeited by me or made by David because of his specific statements to the contrary we're 180 degrees from being true. Nothing new all in this thread for years.

Ferrari 330 P 3/4 0846 is what it is. No more. No less has been for years and is totally and fully disclosed.

It's appeared at several major concours and will be featured at Amelia Island next Spring.

 

I have a friend who is a Builder/re-modeler/interior designer/art-furniture collector amongst, believe it or not, other things.

He would go to garage sales, fly to roam around Europe, etc. looking for things that interested him.

One day he was at a local garage sale and one of the things he digs is old picture frames. So he spots one and buys it. For FIVE bucks.

He takes it home. Is literally about to cut the picture out of the frame with a knife but... he takes a look and the picture catches his eye, so... he decides to google the artist name.

You guessed it, the artist turns out to be pretty darn popular.

So, he contacts a museum. It's a valuable piece of artwork. But how valuable is the question. I was with him at the time and bids start coming in... 200,000, 300,000.

Long story short. The pic sells for a million dollars.

He has since invested that money into his home building business and has Multiplied it many, many, many times over.

It's amazing that some people have no idea what they have sitting gathering dust in their garage. You'd think after hearing enough of these stories that people would be more thorough checking out their junk.

It also amazes me that Piper didn't realize that the twisted up scrap frame wasn't one of the 0900 frames and didn't put it together and check it out himself.

I guess the moral of the story is one man's junk is another man's P3/4.


Also... The pics in the beginning of the thread don't seem to be working?

 

I think FCHAT's severs crashed and some early photo's were lost. If there are particular ones you want I likely have them.

 

Thanks but it would be too much of a hassle. I'd want them all. Was reading the thread from the beginning etc.

 

The missing early thread photo's are likely in this pdf

http://www.glickenhaus.com/jim/project.pdf

 

Jim,

You are well aware of Jess' stance as we have communicated about it.

I believe that you understand the IAC/PFA's reasoning. They do not require Classiche for their judging.

Jeff

 

Does Ferrari sanction/vet information posted on the owner's section of their web site before Ferrari actually publish/post it? If as I now suspect that is the case, I have previously been misinformed by being told that the information posted there is posted without sanction by the owners, and therefore I have decided the following: If Ferrari have vetted and agree the information submitted by the owner, and it is Ferrari who have posted/published on their own web site that Jim Glickenhaus is the owner of 0846, then who am I to argue with Ferrari?

 

It may be out of the remorse of letting it slip by that he's undertaking the current project.