The (one and only) '0846' Debate Thread

You bring up my history as if it is negative, but my actual history throughout the whole of this thread is of being 100% correct as far as Mr Glickenhaus's P4 replica is concerned. I have backed up all I have stated with factory documents and comprehensive detailed photographs comparing the real Ferrari 0846 to the JG/Piper replica, as well as statements from Christian Huet, the author of the Scheda Technica cited in JG's online 0846 document and Ing. Forghieri himself. Prove me wrong.

Aside from Vincent Vangool and 2 moderators that I just stated are known Glickenhaus fanboys, who incidentally have an extremely poor understanding of this subject, who are the other users you state I have been making numerous reports against during my thread ban?

 

I'm referring to your lengthy moderation history. Your subject matter expertise has nothing to do with how we moderate you. If you call someone an idiot or equivalent, stalk other users, or otherwise violate our posting rules, you will get banned.

That seems "numerous" enough to me. BTW, the "known Glickenhaus fanboys" moderators you reported were myself and Rob Lay. Are you seriously calling the two of us "Glickenhaus fanboys"?

 

Wrong. It was actually Wax and Neurobeaker.

 

I know who you likely meant as you've made that accusation against them before, but you didn't report their posts; you reported Rob Lay's and mine.

 

Despite Mr Glickenhaus never fulfilling the burden of proof in establishing his car legally as the real Ferrari 330 P3/P4 #0846, as explained to you many times by @werewolf, your unjustified snide and undermining remarks about the comprehensive evidence I have presented on its own proves Mr Glickenhaus's car is a fake with a 3 litre 312 F1 engine. Should Mr Glickenhaus decide to bring a lawsuit against me, I will prove in a court of law the car he states is Ferrari #0846, is a fake.

 

Steve, may I make a suggestion? It is time to bury the hatchet. You had the courage to stick with your convictions, despite a lot people, including some mods, doing everything they could to stop you. My concern is arguing with the mods here will get you banned. This is lesson I have learned. You won. Take a victory lap, but don't argue with the mods.

 

Didnt this whole thing start when JG wanted a P4, but Stroll just wouldnt sell?! Well, 0856 came to the market recently and yet JG didnt bite. Why? He could have ended this fiasco once and for all. Get the real deal for the showroom and drive around town in the replica with no worries.

 

Agreed.
The subject of this thread is a settled matter at this point based on your efforts, Steve.
There is no more remaining '0846'.
No matter- it's their site/at their discretion to keep this thread open forever.
It's up to you Steve but from where I'm standing, it's a waste of time trying to play whack-a-mole.
I reached that conclusion myself in another thread: there will always be someone who will come along and take up a contrary position for whatever reason.
You have a far bigger contribution to make across the whole Vintage section based upon the knowledge you've accumulated and the research you do.
Peace!

 

He already has 0854, so no need.

 

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https://www.instagram.com/p/CaFc_EFA58x/

Laughing my xxxxxxx a$$ off

 

Well, of course he does, but 0856 still ranks quite a bit higher in the pantheon than 0854 for several reasons.

 

To all the members on this board: Does this ^^ serve Ferrari history, or make a mockery of it? That's a legit, honest question.

And again, let's at least stop pretending that the owner doesn't care if his car is authentic or not

 

0856 still very original
0854 after it was a charcoal chariot early 1969, it was rebuilt by Piper (not the factory)
Even today we don’t know what major parts are still original.

 

Based on my limited knowledge, the ex-Stroll car is the ONLY P4 left in the world.

 

0858 and 0860 are also P4s converted to Can Am cars by the factory later on in 1967. Both cars have been reconfigured to P4s in private ownership. 0860 around 1970 and 0858 from around 2013.

0858 may now even be Classiche Certified as a P4????

 

Good to know.


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0844 built as 330 P3. Converted by factory to 412P.
0846 built as 330 P3. Converted by factory to 330 P4, thus making it the only '330 P3/4'. Destroyed in period.
0848 built as 330 P3. Converted by factory to 412P.
0850 412P.
0854 412P.
0856 330 P4.
0858 330 P4. Converted by factory to 350 Can Am. 'Converted' by Piper back to P4 specs in the 2010's.
0860 330 P4. Converted by factory to 350 Can Am. 'Converted' for Bardinon back to P4 specs in the early 1970's.

 

0844 was also converted to an open 330 Can Am car late in 1967, but reconfigured as a P3/412P in private ownership in the 1990s (Symbolic). Has been back to the factory recently and had works done, so 0844 may now be Ferrari Classiche Certified as a P3/412P???

0854 was also converted to an open barchetta by Piper in his ownership, but was later converted to a 412P esque Spyder. Now put back to 412 P Berlinetta form by Mr Glickenhaus.

 

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Mr Glickenhaus getting very confused in that video. The factory cars DID have mechanical fuel injection and both factory and concessionaire cars were normally aspirated of course. I will forgive him for that as we can all have off days.

Yes, Mr Glickenhaus the very many interesting little details really do tell the true story of the car, but not the tall story you're telling. All the answers regarding those little details are in the link here for you to see. You're welcome!

Quite surprised to see BF Goodrich T/A Radial tyres on all 4 corners of the car which are "S" max speed rated at 112 mph. The BF Goodrich script has been rubbed off the outside sidewalls (but still on the inside). Clearly no expense spared in the interests of the handling and safety of the car! Not! Nobody will notice!

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CaFc_EFA58x/?fbclid=IwAR2K0lkE0g3QQz2_QPpdQdLnNKQRGLHqOiozSyH4OvPIPw9c_dhSprfTNMg

Of course, it's nonsense that the chassis tube shown by Mr Glickenhaus in the video was bent at the 1967 Targa Florio when Nino Vacarrella hit the kerb.

This is stated in his on line 0846 pdf too and pictured therein on page 100 as below:

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Now we can see the positioning of the bend in the tube in relation to the other parts on the car, as pictured from the screenshot below from the video, a likely explanation for the bent tube is that it's just been bent/manipulated, as the bulkhead tube was bent/manipulated to clear the fuel pump of the 3 litre engine, as explained here, so that it can be routed through the exhaust header pipes which would have been ill fitting around this tube due to the replacement with the 3 litre 312 F1 engine from the previous projecting lug engine that was initially installed in the car.

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Could this be why JG thinks his is real? A "continuation" car?

"All of them have unique aspects and all of them are VERY different from P4 replica's excepting David's 0900 which is close,
more of an "authorised continuation" except being powered by a 350 Can Am engine."

Perry

 

A decent tyre for any owner to put on if they intend to actually drive on public roads and speed limits mean that you have no chance to get anywhere near 112mph. Any opportunity to criticise JG though, eh? Pathetic stuff.

 

Incorrect. It's not just about the fact that the speed limit will not be broken on public roads. Tyres with a low S speed rating of 112 mph are not up to the job of accelerating, cornering, braking and steering a high powered performance car. An S speed rated tyre on a Ferrari P prototype is laughable. But, it's not a real Ferrari P prototype is it, but it does have a real 3 litre 312 F1 engine and a replica P4 (not P3) chassis and ancillaries so these S rated tyres are not suitable, and the insurance company may not pay out in the event of an accident with these tyres on.