The (one and only) '0846' Debate Thread

OK, one post from him. Where are the other posts, such as calling him an *******?

 

Haven't seen El Wayne on here in a while. Hope all is well with him.

 

Nothing to add to this thread, apart from this photograph I recently scanned. Copyright Jan Titze, taken at the Oldtimer Grand Prix, Nürburgring, Germany in August 1984.
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This is Piper DP2, built with the spare P4 350 Can Am spec engine, transaxle and 4 suspension corners of 0858 with the Spyder body of P4 0860. It's not Piper DP3, the fake 0846.

 

If only you had spent your time researching and looking at all of the photos in this thread instead of posting quasi legalese jargon while trying to pontificate about arguments and when and where a burden of proof does and does not lie...

You wouldn't have wasted so much time.

It seems you have jumped in for argument sake and honestly with a predetermined position on 0846.

Just comb through it all.

There is so much here that tells you it's not 0846.

At this point you REALLY have to stretch and ignore a pile of accounts, photos and documents to conjure up an argument that it is in fact authentic.

 

You are joking right?

 

Paul, the doubter heretics were scorned, dismissed, and some were even threatened with legal action. Far worse than the ‘believer heretics’ are now. nathan

 

Hi Napolis, Do you still have your P4? I have a tipo 214 engine and would like to ask some questions. Thanks Rich [email protected]

 

Hi Rich,
Jim has stopped posting here for several years now. I believe he has a facebook for his SCG cars- you may luck contacting him there.
Dave

 

And to point out what’s evident to all by now, Jim doesn’t own an authentic P4, his car is a replica (DP003 as built by David Piper). That said he also does own a 412 P car (0854) which according to wiki was ‘heavily burned out and "virtually destroyed" at a race in East London, S.A. 1969 when it had an open/Barchetta GRP body fitted to it by modifying and cutting the rear of chassis. The remains were rebuilt, again as an open Barchetta and then further rebuilt into a 412P Esque Spyder and used on the road. It has now been returned to Berlinetta configuration using the original front and rear clips and doors but the main center part of the body, roof, and sills have been remade in the US where it is owned.’

 

If you are referring to the cylinder block with the 8971 number stamping, it is not from a tipo 214 engine, which is for a prototype 365P/P2/P2/3 racing car. A tipo 214 engine has 4 engine mounts, whereas the cylinder block you have has 2.

 

One of the best reads on the internet

 

Quite incredible isn't it...

 

???

I hope my life never becomes that boring or uneventful.

 

After a few posts it was interesting. I would rather read Russian Classics.

Now, this read, is truly about a cheat. Big deal. If you enjoy it...good for you.

I am subscribed, just to see some comments now and then, as I find it amusing why people are so transfixed about this fellow and car.

Regards, Alberto

PS. Just send the bloody car to Ferrari, and get it over with.

 

So you're giving people carte blanche/licence to post incorrect information/nonsense about Mr Glickenhaus's proven fake P4 anywhere and everywhere on FerrariChat, as is the case in the Glickenhaus? thread here, but I can only correct the nonsense in this thread.

 

The problem is it will derail that thread. Just post the correction here -- if I'm wrong about the Piper car being endorsed or using correct parts (at least originally, I'm sure he modified them since he was racing the cars actively), I'll quote myself and amend my own comments in that thread. There's a lot of interesting stuff Jim is involved with that people want to discuss (in the other thread) without it devolving into 0846-chat.

 

You're under special orders to keep your thoughts in the 0846 thread: https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/posts/146282927/

 

???????

Look at my post in the other thread. It’s about his entire collection and collecting mindset — it only tangentially touches on 0846, along with all his other cars. I also don’t offer any opinion on 0846, I just say that even if it’s a Piper car, it has nothing to apologize for.

Also, the post you quoted is me trying to help keep the detailed 0846 discussion here in this thread and out of the other one.

 

What facets of Ferrari history are you on about? Mr Glickenhaus is attempting to distort Ferrari history with his fake P4. And you think every one of his purchases was brilliant with nothing to apologize for. Well one of them certainly isn't presented accurately, and is a complete fake. And people like you, who clearly know nothing about his fake P4, referring to it as 0846, the Ferrari with that chassis number that no longer exists, is just plain wrong.

 

Ive got a crazy idea. Why don’t you read the post you are quoting before you respond to them? The post you just quoted doesn’t talk about 0846 at all. In my other post you quoted in the other thread I don’t even remotely suggest it is P4 - I don’t comment on that — I just said that a Piper car should be appreciated for what it is, but it needs to be represented accurately. I view a Piper car as far above a cut-up GTE and obviously far below a legit P4. You may not agree, but I’m not sure how that’s relevant to my opinion.

I was here for this entire 0846 thread by the way.

 

This is far better, at least it is not a "real" Ferrari , nor does it pretend to be one.

https://412ptribute.com/

Regards, Alberto

 

Don’t worry Peter, our little antagonist has a (long) history going off rails and making up stuff on this thread in attempts to serve (failed ?) employment seeking bids and/or personal vendetta objectives and not having any firsthand experience or hard facts to back anything, some still lapped it all up. Also showed us how easily confirmation bias can permeate research and results.
Might be best to just ignore or you could end up in crosshairs for questioning hypocritical/illogical behavior.