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The plot thickens - was Cosworth deal condition of '10 entry?

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  1. jknight

    jknight F1 Veteran

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    #1 jknight, Jul 6, 2009
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    Hand picked teams, now hand picked engine supplier - with all the tarnishment on F1, FOTA would be better not associated with the name but with their own "NEW" series IMO.

    Carol


    from crash net

    Formula One bosses appear poised to have to fend off another controversy ahead of this weekend's German Grand Prix, amid claims that they 'hand-picked' newcomers for the 2010 championship based on their willingness to use Cosworth engines.

    According to reports in the Daily Telegraph's business section over the weekend, the FIA stands accused of 'commercial bias' in its decision to offer entries to US F1, Campos Grand Prix and Manor F1 - who are scheduled to join the existing ten teams on the grid next season - ahead of more established names such as Prodrive/Aston Martin and Lola, both of which were widely assumed to have been 'kept back' in order to exert extra leverage on the dissident FOTA teams in the battle for control between the teams organisation and FIA president Max Mosley.

    The report claims that many of the twelve teams overlooked for a place in F1's new-look line-up have now revealed that they had been told that running engines from Cosworth - which won an FIA tender to supply a spec-engine to the category - was a 'mandatory condition' for selection by the governing body. Unaware of the requirement, the disgruntled teams submitted their bids with plans to use alternative power suppliers - with one believed to have spent £1m preparing its bid.

    "We were told that, if we wanted to take up the 2010 grid slot, we would have to sign a three-year engine contract with Cosworth," one team boss claimed, while another insisted that his outfit 'had a real possibility of obtaining a Renault, Mercedes or Ferrari engine'.

    As Cosworth insisted that it did not put pressure on the FIA to impose such a condition on entry, a third team insisted that the newcomers had been 'hand-picked for political, rather than sport[ing] criteria', underlining suggestions that, with current engine suppliers BMW, Mercedes, Ferrari, Renault and Toyota all potentially involved in the proposed FOTA breakaway, the FIA needed to find an independent alternative that would render such a pressure scenario unlikely in future.

    "The whole grid would be at the mercy of the car industry and no new team would be able to enter without their permission," an FIA spokesman confirmed.

    US F1, Campos and Manor all came through the selection process designed to fill at least three places on the 2010 F1 grid after the FIA opened up extra grid slots in a bid to 'improve the show'. Although the potential of additional entries was closed by the peace accord hammered out between Mosley and FOTA, many of the teams missing out in the initial selection had revealed that they remained in conversation with the governing body should an opening become available.

    Brawn GP CEO Nick Fry has also intimated that the 2010 grid is not yet set in stone, particularly as the three newcomers had all submitted their bids on the basis of the sport being subjected to a £40m budget cap - an idea scrapped as part of the deal that brought the two warring factions together shortly after the British Grand Prix.
     
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    Saw that on Planet-F1. You beat me to it while I was looking for the original telegraph link:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/transport/5752102/Team-owners-accuse-Formula-One-bosses-in-engine-row.html

    Der Bernie is just playing for time, trying to disarm FOTA.

    Quite aside from the dictator comments (or his earlier "women should dress in white, like other domestic appliances" gaffe) ...

    ,,, It's pretty blatantly clear that FOM doesn't want actual manufacturers in the Manufacturers' Series.
    And the notion of a required spec Cosworth for all cars hasn't gone away -- they're still pushing for it.

    Apart from those whose 401K is invested through CVC, is anybody happy to see FOTA make nice with this disaster area?

    Non-manufacturer teams, spec tires, spec engines, races in Elbonia, ...
    Just how is this "saving" F1? By making it into "Formula Pacific"?

    R.I.P. F1

    If the choice is between non-factory spec cars running in Bulgaria, and non-factory spec cars running at the Glen, I'll take IndyCars.
     
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    Now the actions of the board of IMS are making perfect sence. Tony George is in the fast lane to Elbonia.
     
  5. jknight

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    and how about this:

    There is yet more controversy in F1 as teams who were rejected for next year's Championship have claimed that unless they signed up with Cosworth their applications were not considered.

    FOTA is supposedly investingating the gimme slots, wonder how soon before we hear from them on this engine topic? You are absolutely correct R.I.P. F1

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    I'm less miffed about the addition of new venues than about dropping the traditional venues: replacing the traditional venues with the new ones.

    The traditional venues are the large consumers of production cars.

    Moving races away from places like Silverstone, Imola, or anywhere in North America (where there are more cars than people), to places where car ownership is still optional (better public transport) is just part of the effort to drive manufacturers out of the F1 "manufacturers' series".

    Bernie would rather be "dictator" to just another collection of "nobody" teams than having to listen to the manufacturers in F1.

    If Bernie wants to be dictator over a spec series, he should concentrate on GP2 or Formula Atlantic, rather than ruining F1.
     
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  8. jknight

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    #6 jknight, Jul 6, 2009
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    if FOTA would have pulled out then Bernie would have been in hog heaven as dictator to the collection of nobody teams. . . . wonder if next we'll read that new teams will be guaranteed sponsors if they meet the conditions set forth to be accepted by signing up for x engines and .......ad naseum..............(fill in the blanks).

    Carol
     
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    The whole FOTA row was over using the budget cap to create a "two tier" race system.

    Now FOM is just going to use the Cosworth spec mill to do the same thing. Haven't we already heard proposals to give the Cosworth mills special dispensations ("because they haven't been around a while")?

    FOM hasn't dropped the attacks against the manufacturers one whit.
    Some deal.


    The whole situation is unbelievably stupid:
    Bernie is chasing the money to whoever will pay big for the ego-boo of having the F1 circuit come to town, ...
    while driving off manufacturers, so he doesn't have to listen to them complain about moving away from their markets.
    But how long will people pay to attract an "F1" that doesn't have any name teams?
    This is getting to be motorsport's version of a get-rich quick scam.
    (Pay big for F1, get a spec series of no-name teams.)
    (Like charging for a ferrari and delivering a fiero with SF shields.)


    I'd rather have written off 2010 to a short season while FOTA rebuilt the real F1 for 2011 than see FOM continue to ruin it for all time.
     
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  11. kraftwerk

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    The whole thing stunk from word go!
     
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    This sport finds more ways to shoot itself in the foot.
     
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    commercial bias? how can it be called bias when it is that way by definition. they are stirring controversy by making it seem as if there is some purity that is being violated.
     
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    The report claims that many of the twelve teams overlooked for a place in F1's new-look line-up have now revealed that they had been told that running engines from Cosworth - which won an FIA tender to supply a spec-engine to the category - was a 'mandatory condition' for selection by the governing body. Unaware of the requirement, the disgruntled teams submitted their bids with plans to use alternative power suppliers - with one believed to have spent £1m preparing its bid.


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    I wonder how many (if any) teams unaware of this requirement will take this to a higher level - especially the one believed to have spend a very substantial amount of GBP for preparation.

    Carol
     
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    If I read one more thing supporting a reason why Mosley should retain his job and he was doing the right thing.. I will blow my F-ing stack.
     
  17. jknight

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    Please don't do that - PLEASE count to 10 before you read my most recent thread about the "Cat out of the bag" ! ! ! !

    Carol


    Please repeat the following: 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10

    Okay now you can go there!
     
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    ...and miss - only to shoot itself in the head...
     
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    Quite true! Steve did count to 10 before going to the other thread I just posted which is quite interesting about the cat in the bag

    Carol
     
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    I read it and I'm glad you prepared our delicate friend;)
     
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    Windsor said on SpeedTV that new teams were encouraged to use cossworth
     
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    FOTA should meet...

    Vote buth the MaXXX Mutley and Bunnie EGOstone guilty of bring the sport into disrepute...


    And set a fine of $1B for Bernie...

    Give MaXXX the choice of converting to judism or $1B Fine...
     
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    One funny thing not mentioned anywhere is that Nick Wirth who is the chassis supplier for Manor Racing F1 bid is married to Max Mosely's daughter! Funny how that team made the cut!
     
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    Thank you for pressing the F1 self-destruct button. This sport will self-destruct in exactly two minutes and forty-five seconds. Have a nice day.

    What a bunch of spaceballs. (Hail Scroob!)
     
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    Nothing that corrupt cretin Mosley does surpises me, However I'am quite stunned Bernie stupidstone is still supporting a crazed lunatic...

    It was always going to be the case that questions where going to asked about this, I posted something ages ago along the lines of this, why were the teams that were picked better than the others, because on paper all the failed teams were a much better bet.
     
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    That's because Bernie has become a crazed lunatic. Look at his latest rambling interview!
     
  28. Wolfgang5150

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    I may seriously quit following f1. The racing blows, I used to enjoy the sport, now it's non stop politics. Following new York state politics is bad enough; we talk more about politics here than actual racing...
     

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