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The Purosangue Thread

Discussion in 'Purosangue' started by MDEL, Dec 6, 2017.

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  1. [gTr]

    [gTr] Formula 3

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    I would always want a V12 but as a DD Ferrari I would actually buy a V6 Turbo Hybrid. The "Piccolo V12" from the 296GTB for the sound and excitement combined with the Hybrid for additional range for long trips and EV only mode for City driving. Ferrari was at least 2 years late with the launch of their hybrid cars, I find it tough to believe that an all electric Ferrari is only 2-3 years away. Despite what @day355 has said (and his information has rarely been wrong), I would still expect a V6 Hybrid or V8 Hybrid to appear before going full electric. In fact, I don't even see why Ferrari needs to stop selling the Hybrid version when it launches the full electric one. I definitely prefer the Hybrid to full electric.
     
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  2. SoCal to az

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    With the ride height out of the factory that Ferrari does, I’m quite certain that on delivery it will be higher than 64 inches. When people put proper shocks and adjust the ride height- it will be well below 64.
     
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  3. Forza Scuderia

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    Yes exactly! Thank you! Anyone from Ferrari HQ monitoring this website … pay attention. EXTREMELY VALUABLE market research here!

    Purosangue V12 … I’m a buyer.
    Purosangue V6 hybrid … I’m a buyer.
    Battery only EV Purosangue ? NOOOOO THANKS!
     
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  4. tomc

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    That's exciting.
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  5. JTSE30

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    Well, Fulgenzi, has zero experience developing an electric drivetrain, has mostly been an "accountant" within Ferrari, and this is who Elkann/Vigna put in charge of creating Ferrari's first EV? Unless Ferrari outsources the development, could be a very long time, if ever, as Fulgenzi has zero patents to his credit (other than one for a toy)....
     
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  6. Gh21631

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    I don't believe they currently have the capacity to design and build this many models which is why it will take a few years to develop the EVs and improve the hybrids.
     
  7. LuxRes

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    I think you over play the technical importance of the Technical Executive Lead (like Michael Leiters on the V12 engine) and down play the technical skills of the current talents within the company or Ferrari’s willingness and ability to recruit talented engineers externally.

    I’m hopeful Vigna will keep propulsion development in-house as much as possible in the coming EV era. Strategic outsourcing is acceptable as long as the core competencies are developed and supported by in-house jobs/employees.


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  8. REALZEUS

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    Oh boy that Swede dealer has no idea about engineering, whatsoever...
     
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  9. Enzo Belair

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    I guess I am about to start another rumor. I was at a different dealer than mine this weekend, he said that Ferrari will ONLY MAKE V12 PS for two years and then the car will be discontinued, no hybrid V8 for subsequent years, I have no idea if this is true, I will do some more investigation tomorrow, if so VERY interesting approach by Ferrari.
     
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  10. JTSE30

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    I am not certain, but are you in any way comparing Michael Leiters to Gianmaria Fulgenzi?

    From here:

    https://businesschief.eu/leadership-and-strategy/meet-the-ceo-ex-ferrari-tech-boss-leiters-named-mclaren-ceo

    The German-born executive brings to the McLaren table a doctorate in engineering and senior positions at Porsche AG, and more recently as Chief Technology Officer at Ferrari.

    During his eight-year tenure as CTO at Ferrari, Michael helped develop the luxury car manufacturer’s recent most successful models, including the 2019’s SF90 Stradale and last year’s 296 GTB, the house’s first two hybrid electric cars.

    Prior to joining Ferrari, he was a senior engineer overseeing the automaker’s early work with hybrid technology and most recently SUV line director, responsible for the improvement and manufacturing of the Porsche Cayenne.


    Seems Herr Leiters was a much better fit to work on drivetrains that Fulgenzi...especially EV drivetrains...

    Fulgenzi, from what I can find on his history, is a 'figurehead', incapable of overseeing actual drivetrain engineers...For the 2+ years leading up to his current role Fulgenzi, he was in charge of supply chain, basically an accountant (no knock to accountants but rarely do they become great engineers).

    What else could Fulgenzi be, no visible skill for the role assigned, he was probably shocked at being assigned the role of chief of product development.

    Maybe the current ICE offerings are all Ferrari will ever have (with minor improvements if any), afterall, they have not brought in anyway with specific pedigree for developing ICE powertrains... and they assigned a figurehead to the role of creating an all new EV...curious to me...

    As for Ferrari, they outsourced the electric motors to Yasa who is now owned by Mercedes...that alone will be difficult to bring in-house and yield a ready-product in just a few years, especially with an accountant in charge who has no idea how to determine an engineer's qualifications (yes, Fulgenzi has an aerospace engineering degree from decades ago but I do not believe he ever continued building his skill in that area).
     
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  11. Marcel Massini

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    That is corrrect.
    Just a proper V12, nothing else. No V6 or V8.

    Marcel Massini
     
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  12. clockem

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    That seems odd to develop a car for so many years and then only produce it for 2 years and then “scrap it”. Lot of development time and money for just 2 years of production.


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  13. Marcel Massini

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    I am not talking about the potential production time (2 years or more), I am talking only about the engine type. Nothing else.

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  14. Forza Scuderia

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    This is dubious to say the least, and that’s the polite version.

    1. Dealer ‘intel’ is among the least trustworthy as they are often misinformed, uninformed, misguided or among the last to know. To say the least about their obviously conflicted motivations.

    2. There is no way Ferrari is ‘2 years and out’ with the Purosangue model.

    3. They will make the V12 version for as many years as they made the 812 GTS which is at least 3 model years.

    4. They will absolutely be making this vehicle with one power plant or another for at least another decade and probably much longer. For all the demand mega trend reasons they are making it in the first place.
     
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  15. vonbeeler

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    Sources here are proven much more reliable than Joe salesman at a dealer. It’s been stated here V12 only for 2 years maybe more. Electric after. No way is Ferrari scraping it after 2 years.
    Fogetaboutit


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  16. MDEL

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    The Purosangue will be equipped with a new type suspension FAST (Ferrari Active Suspension Technology). My guess is that it will have to be some-how a pneumatic-type of suspension but it wouldn't surprise me at all if Ferrari had developed an innovative system as they did in the case of the FF/Lusso transmission.
    The existing active suspensions like the one in the Urus allow for a ride height adjustment of 3,5 - 4 inches. Considering that the Purosangue is not an SUV but a more road-oriented sports vehicle and also based on the images of the latest mule in which the ride height is identical to that of a sedan, it is quite possible that the Purosangue maximum ride height will be 64 inches or even lower.
     
  17. aobao1993

    aobao1993 Formula Junior

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    What information do we know about BMW at present? Can anyone generalize?
     
  18. greyboxer

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    #3843 greyboxer, Jul 25, 2022
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    Basically BMW is a long established German car manufacturer who also make motor-cycles

    What else do you need to know that is not on their Wikipedia page ?

    Not sure what this has to do with the Purosangue or have I misunderstood something...
     
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  19. aobao1993

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    My mistake,I want to ask how much we know about Purosangue at present? Can anyone generalize?
     
  20. clockem

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    Thank you for the clarification!


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  21. ScrappyB

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    My sense is that the first two years of PS production will use a 'pure' V12 without any sort of hybrid assistance. Year 3 onwards will adapt the F167's V12 powertrain with a 48V mild hybrid system. Volumes of the V12 PS would also contract in year 3 since V12 production capacity will be shared with the F167.

    It doesn't make sense to me that Ferrari would not adapt the V6 or V8 to the PS to compensate for the lost V12 volume allocation, although several connected members here say that is the case. In my mind, the future EV SUV (CUV?) requires a unique platform since the large battery pack would be an integral part of the chassis.
     
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  22. SoCal to az

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    You didn’t get my joke.
     
  23. MDEL

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    Sorry, after re-reading your post I got it lol
     
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